From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 24 14: 7:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from bytor.rush.net (bytor.rush.net [209.45.245.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DC7C14C10 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 14:07:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lynch@rush.net) Received: from localhost (lynch@localhost) by bytor.rush.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA17081; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 17:07:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 17:07:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Pat Lynch To: Brett Glass Cc: Rod Taylor , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PR broken? was Re: Linux not FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.56.19990623080332.00b39730@localhost> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hrrrm I suppose you weren't at USENIX Brett.... the *BSD's made quit a showing, with FreeBSD being the top out of the three, the year before, there were half as many people, we *are* growing, and we're getting technical, knowledgeable people. not lamers who want to know where dir and copy went ;) Theres alot of PR work done at the grassroots level, and considering the maliciousness you hold towards linux, and thier supporters in general, I'm wondering if you *really* want the linux type of PR. At several Open Source events lately, FreeBSD has gotten almost as much recognition as linux (at a forum at the Institute for Technology and Enterprise, in NYC, at USENIX, etc.) I don;t think its as broken as you want to think it is. And personally I wouldn't buy from a store who told me "such and such doesn't have any media hype surrounding it" (to paraphrase) I know one thing, the general consensus of people I talked to at USENIX were glad that there were no screaming , drooling, rabid FreeBSD fans. and I think would prefer to keep it that way. -Pat ___________________________________________________________________________ Pat Lynch lynch@rush.net lynch@bsdunix.net Systems Administrator Rush Networking ___________________________________________________________________________ On Wed, 23 Jun 1999, Brett Glass wrote: > FreeBSD's PR is known to be very broken indeed. This subject has been > beaten to death on the lists. Unless some folks see the light or > radical action is taken, FreeBSD will be doomed to poor support due > to inadequate evangelism and poor PR. > > --Brett Glass > > At 07:12 AM 6/23/99 +0000, Rod Taylor wrote: > >On Wed, 23 Jun 1999, Kris Kennaway wrote: > > > On Wed, 23 Jun 1999, Greg Quinlan wrote: > > > > > > > Again yet another high profile company jumping in to bed with Linux. > > > > I think FBSD needs a bit of PR work? > > > > > > Okay, so what are you doing about it, or is this a SEP? > > > > > > >I tried once to convince a small local computer store who had decided to do > >pre-installs of RedHat linux to do a few other linux distributions as well as > >atleast 1 bsd distribution. I was ready to buy a couple of computers if they > >did FreeBSD. > > > >Their responce, was basically "They're not in the news much, so they can't be > >very good products. We want to sell the best to our customers". Aside from > >hte fact that their pc speakers are help in with hot glue... They stick to > >that principle. > > > >Solution? Make sure when people do big things with FreeBSD, they do atleast a > >minor press release. None of this Matrix stuff where they really don't want to > >do one. Somehow we gotta make BSD a buzzword. > > > >By doing that however, we know that a bunch of lamers who don't know anything > >and spend all their time in IRC asking where dir and copy went (aliased in > >redhat) will begin to appear more frequently. Can't ban them all.... > > > >-- > > > >Rod Taylor > > > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message