From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 15 19:00:19 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93F8E16A4CE for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 19:00:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from tomts10-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts10.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.54]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06DD343D1F for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 19:00:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dlavigne6@sympatico.ca) Received: from [192.168.2.87] ([64.230.28.87]) by tomts10-srv.bellnexxia.netESMTP <20040715190017.TIOC6357.tomts10-srv.bellnexxia.net@[192.168.2.87]>; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 15:00:17 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 15:02:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Dru X-X-Sender: dlavigne6@dru.domain.org To: Nils Holland In-Reply-To: <200407152052.22655.nils@tisys.org> Message-ID: <20040715150128.H545@dru.domain.org> References: <4C88DC099E9AF945A6DA4D6FFA1865D17D742C@cdsx06.cder.fda.gov> <200407152052.22655.nils@tisys.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org cc: "Drews, Jonathan*" Subject: Re: FreeBSD Goals X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 19:00:19 -0000 On Thu, 15 Jul 2004, Nils Holland wrote: > On Thursday 15 July 2004 19:09, Drews, Jonathan* wrote: > >> 1) A robust way to make PPP connections through userland-ppp. I think >> FreeBSD's userland-ppp is better than what exists in Linux. I have used >> userland ppp with serial, USB and PCMCIA modems. In all three cases it >> worked very well. > > Well, although this might be a slight bit off-topic to the OP's question, let > me add that FreeBSD's user-ppp is one of the neatest things I've ever seen. > > I remember years back in some 6.x release of SuSE Linux when I was trying to > get my ppp connection working. If I remember correctly SuSE used wvdial back > then, and I sat for hours in front of my box getting it do do dial-on-demand > as well as NAT the way I wanted it to. After some time I gave up on this > wvdial thing and turned to pppd directly, trying to get the stuff done "the > old way". Something similiar happened when I tried to get a PPP connection > working in SuSE Linux 8.0 - it just didn't want to work the way *I* wanted it > to. > > Now, when first gave FreeBSD a spin in 2000 (actually, I installed my first > FreeBSD on January 1st 2000 - really ;-)), I was highly amazed that after my > first attempt to customize /etc/ppp/ppp.conf to suit my needs, a ppp -nat > -auto worked right away just the way I wanted. No problems at > all. > > Why am I telling that? Well, before I came to FreeBSD, I assumed that stuff > would be way more complicated there than it is on Linux. However, four and a > half years later I absolutely cannot say that this is the case. I was > positively impressed how well and easy everything actually works. > > Additionally, I really wouldn't want to miss the occasional cvsupping, make > {build,install}world and portupgrade procedure. I've never been able to > figure out a sane way to keep a SuSE system (for example) up-to-date without > having stuff totally messed up after a year or so. With FreeBSD ... well, > keeping it up-to-date is another thing that works really great. I guess the > version I'm running on this machine here was installed more than two years > back and I've recently brought it to 4-STABLE (after the 4.10 release) and > updated my KDE to 3.2.3 without much aford and trouble... > >> From the software side, I think it doesn't take long until one really > appreciates the "FreeBSD way" of doing things. The only thing that in my > opinion might be a strong point for Linux is hardware compatibility. After > all, we must admit that Linux happens to support some stuff that FreeBSD > currently doesn't. This, however, is more of a point when you have to install > it on existing machines. If you know up front that you'll want to use > FreeBSD, you will of course base your hardware buying decisions on that fact. > And then, there shouldn't really be any problems... > > Just my $ .02. ;-) > > Greetings, > Nils Gee, that sounds an awful lot like a "BSD Success Story" to me... If you're interested in writing it up and sending it to me along with a bio I'll make sure it's included in the pamphlet when it goes to the printers. Dru