From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 14 22:55:25 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3B2D16A419 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 22:55:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wundram@beenic.net) Received: from mail.beenic.net (mail.beenic.net [83.246.72.40]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B46113C45D for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 22:55:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wundram@beenic.net) Received: from phoenix (hnvr-4db3eda0.pool.einsundeins.de [77.179.237.160]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.beenic.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20EFDA44529; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 23:48:13 +0100 (CET) From: "Heiko Wundram (Beenic)" Organization: Beenic Networks GmbH To: "Ted Mittelstaedt" Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 23:57:06 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200712142357.07080.wundram@beenic.net> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Suggestions please for what POP or IMAP servers to use X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 22:55:25 -0000 Am Freitag, 14. Dezember 2007 23:14:32 schrieb Ted Mittelstaedt: > As I said I did a survey of all known web clients earlier this > year that did not require a specific server - I might have even posted it > to the list. But I guess that's a challenge to some people to "prove" I > don't know what > I'm talking about. ;-) > > If you feel you must avoid "c-client" you can do it > the following way: > > 1) The webmail that comes with SquirrelMail I would be surprised if it > uses it - but, that webmail is inseparable from the SquirrelMail SMTP > server and cannot be installed separately. I didn't test it because of > that. Sorry to say this, but you do not know what you're talking about. SquirrelMail is a stand-alone webmail application, which has nothing to do and is not affiliated with any form of SMTP server. Check out SquirrelMail: http://www.squirrelmail.org/ Quoting from there: """ What is SquirrelMail? SquirrelMail is a standards-based webmail package written in PHP. It includes built-in pure PHP support for the IMAP and SMTP protocols, and all pages render in pure HTML 4.0 (with no JavaScript required) for maximum compatibility across browsers. It has very few requirements and is very easy to configure and install. SquirrelMail has all the functionality you would want from an email client, including strong MIME support, address books, and folder manipulation. """ As I explained earlier, SquirrelMail uses the PHP IMAP extension, which in turn uses cclient to access IMAP mailboxes, if you don't use the pure PHP IMAP implementation bundled with it (which I didn't know it had until rechecking their site just now; all the setups of SquirrelMail I did so far used the IMAP extension directly and there was a dependency on it earlier AFAIR). Pretty much the same thing goes for IMP (i.e., the Horde WebMail plugin); I'll save you the link to the page now, I guess you can use Google. Anyway, what you're probably referring to is the Courier webmail module (called somewhat similarly) SqWebMail (http://www.courier-mta.org/sqwebmail/), which really does not use cclient, as it accesses the mailboxes (in Maildir format) directly, but this comes at the price that the WebMail-server (and application) must have some form of read/write _filesystem access_ to all user's mailboxes being able to access the WebMail application, which generally is not what I as a responsible admin want to have; either, all mail accounts have to share the same UID/GID as the web application, or the web application requires some form of mod_suid functionality, which is not okay in either case. As I said earlier, it's a felt fact (I have no hard evidence to support this) that SquirrelMail and IMP are the most commonly used and installed WebMail applications out in the wild, and you'll find almost no mail-server administrator who hasn't heard of these two. And both of them (can) use cclient indirectly through PHP, and at least until the last time I set up a mail-server with IMP (which is around a year ago) didn't have a pure PHP implementation of the IMAP protocol. -- Heiko Wundram Product & Application Development