From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 4 00:18:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42C8316A4DE for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 00:18:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@hub.org) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [200.46.204.220]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B98E843D45 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 00:18:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@hub.org) Received: from localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.208.251]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2253F291B0D; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 21:18:33 -0300 (ADT) Received: from hub.org ([200.46.204.220]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.208.251]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 78700-09; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 21:18:37 -0300 (ADT) Received: from ganymede.hub.org (blk-224-179-167.eastlink.ca [24.224.179.167]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67017291B05; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 21:18:32 -0300 (ADT) Received: by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix, from userid 1027) id 9C2865C5A2; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 21:18:23 -0300 (ADT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97AC65C49A; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 21:18:23 -0300 (ADT) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 21:18:23 -0300 (ADT) From: User Freebsd To: Boris Samorodov In-Reply-To: <61257481@srv.sem.ipt.ru> Message-ID: <20060803203134.X25268@ganymede.hub.org> References: <20060803180553.B6529@ganymede.hub.org> <61257481@srv.sem.ipt.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Stand up and be counted - BSDStats Project X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 00:18:39 -0000 On Fri, 4 Aug 2006, Boris Samorodov wrote: > Hi Marc, > > > On Thu, 3 Aug 2006 18:30:08 -0300 (ADT) you wrote: > >> Okay, there has been alot of discussion on this in the other thread, >> some of it tangent'd to the original, so, I'm starting off a new >> thread as a sort of summary ... > > Great idea, but should be introduced with care... > >> I've been doing some thinking on it this afternoon, and think I've >> figured out about the simpliest way of doing it ... it still doesn't >> deal with "fakers" and such, but, IMHO, I don't think that that is a >> *huge* problem that needs to be addressed ... some might do it for a >> lark, but, overall, it just sounds like something that is "more worth >> then its worth", so over time, it should eventually balance out ... > > ...taking into consideration *why* do we want to do the stats. *If* > we plan (and this is one of the goals of the project) to have those > stats as a serious argument for a Big Business then we *must* prove > that those numbers are not faked. Or even more strict: that those > numbers can't (or even very, no VERY hard to) be faked. > > It's useless (as a serious argument) if it can be faked: imagine that > a virus (warm or else) is written to fake it. Personally, I do not believe that there is any *safe* way of protecting against this happening ... short of having a userid/passwd schema and forcing ppl to actually register ... of course, then less ppl would participate, since it would then be too much work ... The thing is to do as much as we possible can to 'tighten it down' without making it difficult to use ... over time, if something gets added to the OS that helps improve this, we can extend teh script to check for and use such features ... ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664