From owner-cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 10 18:19:44 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: cvs-all@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6480616A4CE; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:19:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mx1.originative.co.uk (freebsd.gotadsl.co.uk [81.6.249.198]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B637943D3F; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:19:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from paul@mx1.originative.co.uk) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.originative.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B17115597; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:19:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mx1.originative.co.uk ([127.0.0.1])port 10024) with ESMTP id 35714-02; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:19:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: by mx1.originative.co.uk (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 8848A15589; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:19:04 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:19:04 +0000 From: Paul Richards To: Brooks Davis Message-ID: <20050310181903.GU98930@myrddin.originative.co.uk> References: <422E407B.4080507@portaone.com> <86k6oht386.fsf@xps.des.no> <422F087F.9030906@portaone.com> <20050309.085035.129356491.imp@bsdimp.com> <422F6703.70409@portaone.com> <20050310161607.GO98930@myrddin.originative.co.uk> <20050310165510.GE993@green.homeunix.org> <20050310172050.GR98930@myrddin.originative.co.uk> <20050310173645.GB25556@odin.ac.hmc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050310173645.GB25556@odin.ac.hmc.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.8i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at originative.co.uk cc: Brian Fundakowski Feldman cc: Maxim Sobolev cc: src-committers@FreeBSD.org cc: cvs-src@FreeBSD.org cc: alfred@FreeBSD.org cc: cvs-all@FreeBSD.org cc: des@des.no cc: "M. Warner Losh" Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/compat/linux linux_socket.c X-BeenThere: cvs-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CVS commit messages for the entire tree List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:19:44 -0000 On Thu, Mar 10, 2005 at 09:36:46AM -0800, Brooks Davis wrote: > On Thu, Mar 10, 2005 at 05:20:50PM +0000, Paul Richards wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 10, 2005 at 11:55:10AM -0500, Brian Fundakowski Feldman wrote: > > > > > > How is this even a problem? The company targets 5.3-RELEASE, period, > > > for all of 5.x. They do not need to upgrade their build computer to > > > anything past RELENG_5_3 even in the face of security issues. > > > > That really irritating bug that causes their development tools to > > crash is fixed in 5.5. Clearly they'll want to run with that later > > version. > > Then they should tell their customers that they only support 5.5 or they > should routinly test on 5.3 to make sure that keeps working. For that That's the crux of FreeBSD's problem really. We can't tell the commercial world to change the way they work to suit what we want to do. If we want them to take FreeBSD seriously we have to fit with the expectations they have. > matter, in the case we are discussing, as long as they don't use the new > flags they would not have any problems and if they failed to test on the > old version they claimed to support that's their problem. Across a stable branch I think it's unrealistic to expect commercial developers to keep track of all these nuances. These are the sorts of development overheads that make costs prohibitive and thereby rule out support for particular platforms. -- Paul Richards