From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jul 22 18:52:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E9F616A4DA for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:52:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd.ph@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.173]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1573843D46 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:52:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd.ph@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m2so1804762uge for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 11:52:51 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=ovc9PaAP92qlzmV/K+TozwXj9GFpoNL8ziPSjmy9Y0EwOhNBl6caPd+zV1/yuqE0lnJMEMxPfqK1jNwDuNLGn+p58jUKWQZG0ff/JXGtytay+DfkRokqZ9p7du90H8F0DnHYGPs80zhFYwykkd4q18hDltSkB/1qsID2Ej1hJcA= Received: by 10.78.117.10 with SMTP id p10mr903329huc; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 11:52:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.141.18 with HTTP; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 11:52:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 02:52:51 +0800 From: "jan gestre" To: Freminlins In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8f0d62060607220403j599c1131xfcfb38e6b18c7c6c@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, sammy sumer Subject: Re: What FreeBSD users really want X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:52:54 -0000 On 7/22/06, Freminlins wrote: > > On 22/07/06, sammy sumer wrote: > > > > To Whom It May Concern: > > > > > > > 1. Reinvent the installer and interface. > > > > Fundamental thing like system installer is still phenomenally arcane. > > There > > is no excuse for FreeBSD developers not to upgrade the system installer > > and > > why not using disk imaging technology like Norton ghost or Acronis > > TrueImageinstead of the traditional installation. > > > One thing I would say is that FreeBSD installs a complete operating system > far faster than any other OS out there. This does matter to some people, > though not everyone. > > A few years ago I was new to FreeBSD (and UNIX/Linux in general) and I > went > through the installation. The only thing that caught me out was adding a > user (me) but not putting myself in the wheel group. After the > installation > completed I removed the monitor and plugged it back into my usual desktop > machine. I could SSH in but not su. It really was the only thing that > caught > me out. > > 2. Integrate a PHP shell into the core of the system. > > > > PHP is by far the most popular computing language in the world. Why not > > have a shell called PHP shell. So lots of web developers out there can > > easily create shell scripts in PHP syntax to automate and run programs > on > > FreeBSD. > > > > Who wants to learn bash or sh scripting? They are by far the least > popular > > and ugly programming language in the world. > > > > It is astounding that FreeBSD developers have not clued in to the fact > > that > > millions of backend webmasters could easily migrate and adopt FreeBSD as > > their O.S of their choice because of PHP > > > > Would that be PHP and all its associated modules from the base install? > That's big, and for many people unnecessary. Why would I need it for my > (10) > mail servers. It wouldn't serve any purpose. Also PHP "syntax" is not > consistent. Take a look here: http://tnx.nl/php. > > sh scripting is a low level "standard" across other Unices. > > The only thing I wish I had learned so much sooner was "set autolist" in > my > .cshrc. I didn't know it was there, and I have no idea why it is not in > the > default dot.cshrc file. No doubt good reasons, but I "got by" for months > before I found this out. All that time I was going "bash can do it, why > can't csh?" > > > Sammy Sumer > > > > i've done it already, thanks for the set autolist tip frem :)