From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 16 03:55:46 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 662ADB81; Sun, 16 Mar 2014 03:55:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from www81.your-server.de (www81.your-server.de [213.133.104.81]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 21A799C6; Sun, 16 Mar 2014 03:55:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [178.3.62.69] (helo=michael-think) by www81.your-server.de with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.74) (envelope-from ) id 1WP1nI-000838-Mx; Sun, 16 Mar 2014 04:31:24 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed; delsp=yes To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, "Matthew Seaman" Subject: Re: Re: References: <1394862552.77754.YahooMailBasic@web125805.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <53240450.8070308@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2014 04:31:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Michael Ross" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <53240450.8070308@FreeBSD.org> User-Agent: Opera Mail/1.0 (Win32) X-Authenticated-Sender: gmx@ross.cx X-Virus-Scanned: Clear (ClamAV 0.97.8/18606/Sat Mar 15 23:46:31 2014) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2014 03:55:46 -0000 On Sat, 15 Mar 2014 08:42:08 +0100, Matthew Seaman wrote: > On 15/03/2014 05:49, Masayoshi Fujimoto wrote: >> It might be newbie question. >> I would like to make T-shirts for personal use. (I don't sell them.) >> >> http://www.freebsd.org/logo.html >> >> Can I use FreeBSD Logo for my T-shirts? >> As I am not native, I can not understand Usage Guidelines at The >> FreeBSD Foundation. >> Please answer easy English. > > You need to ask permission from trademark@FreeBSDFoundation.org. > Explain what you want to do, and they'll tell you if it's OK or not. Quote the Trademark Usage Terms and Conditions: "Any individual, organization, or company may use the Marks to show support for the Project or as part of a notice to users that your product incorporates the FreeBSD operating system." Wouldn't that cover personal T-Shirts without obtaining permission? In other words, does this sentence imply the suffix "without permission?" Because as I understand it, the need to ask permission only arises for "product packaging or to promote products and services, or to create the impression of an endorsement or certification". This is sort-of squeezed together in one paragraph. Personally, I would find the "notice to users that my product incorporates FreeBSD" generally promotional for my product. I think the terms are contradictory/confusing in itself right there... That's a fine line between "my product incorporates FreeBSD" ( which should be covered by "Any individual..." ) and "my product gives you the stability of FreeBSD" ( promotional, need to ask permission ). What about "my product incorporates FreeBSD, which is known for its stability."? The madness can only be measured in lawyer-hours. Maybe under US law you could actually put your mark at risk if you had a sentence in there "Any individual can ... without permission.", as this could be construed as waiving the rights. Regards, Michael