From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 19 11:09:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BACD7401 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 11:09:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mueller6724@bellsouth.net) Received: from nm25.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm25.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.90]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64E4B1970 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 11:09:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [66.94.237.196] by nm25.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2013 11:03:36 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.56] by tm7.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2013 11:03:36 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp109.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2013 11:03:36 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bellsouth.net; s=s1024; t=1371639816; bh=KaK3kNC0UrnwdqggRNwEPVov/tiu45i4klL2gYzw3hY=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:Message-ID:Date:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:CC:Subject; b=FSwUwFAbSTM4NKH9M+bHfMGRjwktNR3VjlNUeVZon9NqwpHLbx8OrNPw6rUrmC+uTet+7HOgW9v+ow1ntCKfi6sl6OXKEHQI3Z4UUj3m6rl0BNvqildn+KHB3aCjgXWgG1QHXI06fnpphga7Mv338AQB0c7IO3buoVxdKthPt5s= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 913149.18269.bm@smtp109.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Message-ID: <913149.18269.bm@smtp109.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 04:03:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: xv0iqI8VM1mpVgLLx0hlx8ufnMsLAKeZu3XdpoFShdVoxtV 7Y0z_mB_7lN5Xyrdu6lqKdv1ed0K3BzIoWe1nZlcQJNCHqkT6ZnJyHQrE5cD tHFjK1eV9_U52vKFXSnQW2ODltpUAmBarihzK.wAQ0y1xuB7JTyo6A.Kv6_8 Rkb51BUdRkSVJXuoyUF_IC0RnIYuuAhrGyi2EX3_1cEuqyf1ELSP1WIuTCCh ExwfmoYqUjkTNFzenf0uOOJ9Lvls2kQF0fMaWt05yLc0krGLRopKm5c5EWbj aB2A8gIS_Ee9fOn9ck0jhSru17jew9QeMjmhPbZZ6EFoqk0hmiE_M7ErWxE1 xkz1F2ayE1IXeoxLJHkwRYH_SERXRt2GI6fJELq18DC65UFXNo1DOtbiDgnC FblmdF1NLEdfiLhHA_igchjdBn7t3xjUPebA.Li5HMxvh9roQ1yZa618Dfw. plU.4EzL1iA4Vyi38uUwdKXKqV27larV4G7HPdpUo.sCSHB7JqQXDRiyz7ps 09tuu2jDBDHLETkueR8w- X-Yahoo-SMTP: Kz_aW1.swBBYof3zAD7.RWzXz9ZAQVDMml1VADsbgPT4Kq79LC0- X-Rocket-Received: from localhost (mueller6724@74.130.200.176 with plain) by smtp109.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2013 04:03:36 -0700 PDT From: "Thomas Mueller" To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [HEADS UP] switch default xorg version in 9.1 and later Cc: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 11:09:17 -0000 > Hi! > It is time to switch the default version of xorg on FreeBSD 9.1 and > later, including CURRENT. > In general this means better support for modern hardware, especially > intel hardware, at the cost of support for some legacy hardware. > The old version will still be around, and be the default for FreeBSD > releases prior to 9.1, it is also possible to get the old version by > setting WITHOUT_NEW_XORG= in /etc/make.conf. > The attached patch will make the switch, and I intend to commit it ASAP > unless something major shows up. The patch is also available at > http://people.freebsd.org/~zeising/xorg-switch.diff > Regards! -- > Niclas Zeising > FreeBSD x11 team > PS. Please respect reply-to, to avoid too much cross posting. Now I am a bit confused, should it be x11@freebsd.org or freebsd-x11@freebsd.org, or is one an alias for the other? Anyway, my concern was some complications in running the newer Xorg with Intel graphics. There was the danger that it might not be possible to go to text console after going into X, so I have questions on how to stay with the graphical interface and not go back to text console. If this belongs on another thread, feel free to change the subject to "Xorg acrobatics". My question is how to go into X in such a way that there can be multiple users simultaneously logged in, root and nonroot, and all users have access to graphic applications (Mozilla Seamonkey for instance). I also want to be able to switch to or restart with a different window manager without going to a text console in between; this might require closing all applications and logging out. I don't really want to use gdm, kdm or xdm if I can help it. I don't think xdm would work anyway. My previous attempt with the new Xorg and KMS produced a completely nonrunnable X, immediately crashed, requiring Reset button, and I had a dilly of a time going back to the older Xorg. I might this time have an alternate xorg.conf with Driver="vesa" for fallback so as to retain access to Xorg if the new Xorg bombs out with Intel driver: haven't tested this but hope it would work. Tom