From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 3 17:24:01 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FE8737B401 for ; Sat, 3 May 2003 17:24:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from octopus.com.au (octopus.com.au [61.8.3.8]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C7C143FA3 for ; Sat, 3 May 2003 17:24:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from duraid@octopus.com.au) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by octopus.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D4E8D7AD36; Sun, 4 May 2003 10:23:53 +1000 (EST) Received: by octopus.com.au (Postfix, from userid 1047) id 2CD52D7ACDE; Sun, 4 May 2003 10:23:53 +1000 (EST) Received: from octopus.com.au (m061-029.nv.iinet.net.au [203.217.61.29]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by octopus.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AD73D7ACE3; Sun, 4 May 2003 10:23:51 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <3EB45D98.50106@octopus.com.au> Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 10:23:52 +1000 From: Duraid Madina User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4b) Gecko/20030502 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: The Anarcat References: <3EB3C118.6020203@octopus.com.au> <200305031817.16068.bsdterm@HotPOP.com> <3EB450E0.9060702@octopus.com.au> <20030503235911.GA64288@shall.anarcat.ath.cx> In-Reply-To: <20030503235911.GA64288@shall.anarcat.ath.cx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-31.9 required=7.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA version=2.53 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.53 (1.174.2.15-2003-03-30-exp) X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS new-20020517 cc: bsdterm@HotPOP.com cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Floppy Support X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 00:24:01 -0000 The Anarcat wrote: > Why does everyone keep on trying to ditch the old hardware? It still > works, doesn't it? It's still useful, isn't it? The fact that FreeBSD insists on fitting its kernel onto floppies has so far prevented me from installing it on my not terribly new hardware. So where do we stand now? It seems FreeBSD is _encouraging_ people to use old hardware. > So what if it it's pre-'95? Are we so "hip" that we need to drop support > for everything older that 7 years? Sure, why not. When hardware gets 7 years old, what's wrong with making the only supported upgrade paths "spend an hour installing a previous version and upgrade" or "buy a CDROM, cheapskate." > I despise the habit of the computer industry of deprecating perfectly > valid hardware in order to make sales. You could easily extend that argument to say that Intel's efforts to make EFI booting more widespread are a bad thing. So here we have a company like Intel trying to make sales by making your future PC less broken than your current one, and yet you'll no doubt chant "but my BIOS works just fine. Why should I be forced to buy a new motherboard just to install FreeBSD 6.3??" > I think you are mixing two problems: the CDROM boot and the FLOPPY boot. > Those can be 2 totally different issues if we need to. Fix the CDROM > boot to allow fatty kernels for your exotic hardware. But don't break > the floppy boot, a lot of less fortunate folks need it. Need? Will you NEED FreeBSD 5.1 for your machine? I *will*, because 5.0 doesn't support mine. I honestly can't see an announcement along the lines of "to install FreeBSD 6, you'll need either a CDROM drive, or a FreeBSD 5.0 installation" as the big step backwards you're making it out to be. Duraid