From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 3 23:41:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EDC316A421 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 23:41:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from minimarmot@gmail.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.181]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CE5913C45E for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 23:41:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from minimarmot@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j37so2994630waf for ; Tue, 03 Jul 2007 16:41:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=ra+mA6m6k47a+psZQVJm8IuuJiSKHAsdDzavJMj4dQjY/LpWmLAA2rI6K6UuiDYSguXGCaVmMJrER6c0unrb+eYslvfLadviW0Ojej8wg/TeE4/qtrxgItNwenesvNaph66dwZCZGK0RA4bZbMTjyULR2JLMq0QQzL731093KVU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=bjA61AMjoqUml93xn/n81nRXTstRzs/5memk/Fz0smDytaBnUFvmLPbPDJ+beLJ5VFOL76Hk5s/QJ/bLdW41jQvN4UnHohcj46wZCkN0NjOSjSOoHSbqR4vM/JDSTbu57VFynByh0ZUMp9Clp5a2mfN0wsjO5+obghQes3GLhyY= Received: by 10.142.212.19 with SMTP id k19mr481378wfg.1183506062697; Tue, 03 Jul 2007 16:41:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.14.5 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 16:41:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <47d0403c0707031641j68c686b9sa4aa01119170ae59@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 18:41:02 -0500 From: "Ben Kaduk" To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: what is the definition of X11? X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 23:41:03 -0000 Hi all, The subject line may seem a bit off-topic, but as I'm making my way through the handbook on a grammar-checking spree, I came across this bit of text, and I'm not sure how to parse it: FreeBSD uses X11 to provide users with a powerful graphical user interface. X11 is an open-source implementation of the X Window System that includes both Xorg and XFree86. Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X11) seems to imply that the X window system is a protocol (for the client/server communication?), so then X11 is a version of this protocol, and Xorg and XFree86 are implementations of this protocol (but I am loth to blindly trust wikipedia). If this is true, then the above quote isn't quite right, as the inclusion should somehow be the other way -- Xorg and XFree86 both implement X11 (``include'' it in them). Of course the text could be changed to say that the X11 protocol is used by many different softwares, including both Xorg and XFree86, but that still seems a bit awkward. Any comments from someone who knows more than I about what all these terms mean? -Ben Kaduk