From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 29 10:32:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C463716A41F for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 10:32:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from xfb52@dial.pipex.com) Received: from smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.6]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1741343D49 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 10:31:58 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from xfb52@dial.pipex.com) Received: from [82.41.37.55] ([82.41.37.55]) by smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 29 Jul 2005 11:32:43 +0100 Message-ID: <42EA059D.5080102@dial.pipex.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 11:31:57 +0100 From: Alex Zbyslaw User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-GB; rv:1.7.8) Gecko/20050530 X-Accept-Language: en, en-us, pl MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Benjamin Lutz , dick hoogendijk References: <20050729002602.65ff60bb.dick@nagual.st> <42E96319.3080901@datacomm.ch> In-Reply-To: <42E96319.3080901@datacomm.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jul 2005 10:32:43.0593 (UTC) FILETIME=[DA88D390:01C59428] Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: need some advice X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 10:32:00 -0000 Benjamin Lutz wrote: >If price is important, why not go for a Sempron 3100+ using the Palermo >core? Granted, it's a bit slower than the Athlon64 3000+, but it does >have an advantage: Under load, it outputs 62W of heat instead of 89W >like the 130nm Athlon64 cores. And of course it only costs half of what >the Athlon64s cost. > > A64 90nm under 3500 are 67W *max*, only larger are 89W max (http://www.amdcompare.com/us-en/desktop/Default.aspx). Modern A64 are 90nm (look for Venice core). I have no experience of Sempron, but I can say that I would be very surprised if you can get an A64 to actually *use* all those watts. The highest temperature I can get is by running a CPU exercizer designed to drive up temp. That gets ~5 degrees C above the maximum I have ever seen otherwise (and it's still cooler than an XP). At 19 degrees ambient, the CPU is at 27 degrees under low load (89 W theoretical max). Prescott core will use *more* than the specified watts under load (possibly up to 120 IIRC). See http://www.silentpcreview.com/article169-page2.html dick hoogendijk wrote: >My options are: > >Athlon64-3000+ (Newcastle) on a MSI K8T NEO-FSR board (1Gb 3200 mem) >Athlon64-3400+ (Clawhammer on the same board > Why are these your processor options? The Venice core has been around a while now and the 3000 is *fairly* cheap (and pretty much identical in price to older cores when I looked a couple months back). I'm pretty sure this is Venice but you'd have to check the part no at AMD http://www.komplett.nl/k/kl.asp?bn=10483 >I.e. the intel MB has a PCIe grahics slot. How important is that (or >not). I will buy a Geforce-6600GT videocard (offer most for less >money..) > PCI-E will give you much better performance on modern games and you can have two cards IIUC, but I do not know about FreeBSD compatibility. I went for 6600GT AGP which I am more than happy with (but I tend to buy games 2-3 years after they were popular :-)). >I will run FreebSD on it (compile a lot of ports) and (windows-xp/98se) >for gaming. > Are you sure 98se will support A64? Also just about to run out of support from MS (if it hasn't already). XP does have 95 and 98 compatibility mode for games etc. but I can't say how well it works. --Alex