From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 20 06:01:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0B975BD for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 06:01:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mueller6724@bellsouth.net) Received: from nm1-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm1-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.236.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5921A1BBA for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 06:01:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [66.94.237.201] by nm1.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2013 05:58:23 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.241] by tm12.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2013 05:58:23 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp112.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2013 05:58:23 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bellsouth.net; s=s1024; t=1371707903; bh=gzy0zDZD/5j3t7ol3MS7PxmxTysAbCPddYjoc4TffRk=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:Message-ID:Date:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:X-Not-Really-To:CC:Subject; b=b6waHFtO+bstnd8k2vsBQO8eTRlDc3TPrAl9+CKYdIt8eV64jdcgfoBsx9hesyeAKX/cPiq6eJWTC7JEnQc1wwY3b8w0XnZYdTbS0GldZQmB7t1l5JubD3MqBF7BPy8xPkL+fwWNKiJ4qZY6SYToKQQk2KF0KggR7fbavxBYhzU= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 235719.21386.bm@smtp112.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Message-ID: <235719.21386.bm@smtp112.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 22:58:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: p6xejLwVM1m2KOu0QYB.8JvqFUBWhVc8sajRBoggc1XKraL pmuqakDRl2eTbtfj6uUsMe1KCOfIMGl1gsRYQaLRNqKdajacwEtqk_UqaSJf BFTqpoECuQTvRwdO1fNQDrF8PoX7p6LMEy6J6DaikXOhp64er5Sc5d__BfC9 Pg_EHAn9r8c3jzYsLVoDJ_uyxL158gR3BMyAR8O2zFJaUjp39RLfzDr72Dsa 1qhFVu8bmuzbqGW_ZLimSBkfCGQkGB0TgWp_N56ZS0XJC.4aUbaFbcjtHh8P VBLh9rvK3CjDsHhxAbAvVMogQwbVVltv5BmKYL9js9CACmJOshVEt1GBcHWE 85lEVjird0BZT0c8Zw4XizcSeMsD_vW_z_GMXEu8mbiVuHpGfatXUdiF87J5 Gigh18rKq4bxGJypUyExTp006iiEqV57anZg9KIsUapu1a_ua2iHJCSH7ANk VfQ9PZ_fLqtPnIykwEDjWN5s6i8QeERzBAGl7G36E9qdBA78T_o.5hoMRewr eTmT7qOvmpfcOk2ZLaWjSarI- X-Yahoo-SMTP: Kz_aW1.swBBYof3zAD7.RWzXz9ZAQVDMml1VADsbgPT4Kq79LC0- X-Rocket-Received: from localhost (mueller6724@74.130.200.176 with plain) by smtp112.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2013 22:58:23 -0700 PDT From: "Thomas Mueller" X-Not-Really-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org CC: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [HEADS UP] switch default xorg version in 9.1 and later X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 06:01:48 -0000 from Niclas Zeising: > As far as I know, it is still not possible to VT switch after X has been > started, this is a known shortcoming in the KMS driver. However, on > start X will load all needed kernel modules, so until you start X you > will have a working console. I remember reading about this, and it's like what I had with NetBSD, though that was with an old native X, part of NetBSD base system as opposed to pkgsrc. NetBSD had difficulty with ATI r128 video. I would need to be able to shutdown from X, which requires root permissions, hence the need for an xterm as root. I remember KDE in Linux Slackware had a menu item to start konsole as root (as well as same nonroot user). In NetBSD 5.1_STABLE i386, text console would go blank after 30 seconds inactivity, and I had to find my way in the dark to a root command prompt to run screenblank -u and that made the console visible again. So I ran X using icewm as root, also shutdown straight from X. I tried xdm in Linux Slackware 13.0. That allowed one login session with one user, window manager twm only. I tried xdm in NetBSD 6.1, it didn't start at all. In icewm, I could (Ctrl-Alt-Space) and run xterm -ls , then "login" at the command prompt and get a login prompt. I could then login as another nonroot user but not as root if I originally started X (icewm) as nonroot, but could login as nonroot if I originally started X as root. In either case, I could only get an xterm but not run a graphic application such as Seamonkey. I would also want to be able to quit one window manager to go to another window manager without going to a text console in between. Maybe I need to play with xinitrc.* files and experiment? > > My previous attempt with the new Xorg and KMS produced a completely nonrunnable X, immediately crashed, requiring Reset button, and I had a dilly of a time going back to the older Xorg. I might this time have an alternate xorg.conf with Driver="vesa" for fallback so as to retain access to Xorg if the new Xorg bombs out with Intel driver: haven't tested this but hope it would work. > Have you reported these issues somewhere earlier? Otherwise we need > much more info in debugging this. > Remember also that it is still possible to get the old xorg distribution > if needed. I reported this a few months ago. I might like to try again, both in FreeBSD (ports) and NetBSD (pkgsrc), would in both cases have an xorg.conf-vesa file ready with Driver="vesa" for fallback, hopefully to have a workable X even if the real one, using intel driver, is not workable. I hope but don't really know that this would work, might try first on FreeBSD-HEAD (current), which I haven't yet built or installed. Now I have to get to two things: putting together a new computer, and seeing if I can setup recalcitrant HP printer with hplip, this may delay my next response on this list. Finger error: I went to change a CD, hit the wrong button, Reset button by mistake, but fortunately I had saved this file at the right time and didn't lose anything. Tom