From owner-cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 25 23:34:22 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: cvs-all@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D93C106566B; Sun, 25 May 2008 23:34:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bms@FreeBSD.org) Received: from out1.smtp.messagingengine.com (out1.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E9E18FC15; Sun, 25 May 2008 23:34:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bms@FreeBSD.org) Received: from compute2.internal (compute2.internal [10.202.2.42]) by out1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB9E41109D8; Sun, 25 May 2008 19:34:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from heartbeat2.messagingengine.com ([10.202.2.161]) by compute2.internal (MEProxy); Sun, 25 May 2008 19:34:21 -0400 X-Sasl-enc: 4CBSvI6K5neUljEAr/SLAFgHdm3f6Hr9WhM+Ffd1gyw+ 1211758461 Received: from empiric.lon.incunabulum.net (82-35-112-254.cable.ubr07.dals.blueyonder.co.uk [82.35.112.254]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F3BF522CD7; Sun, 25 May 2008 19:34:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4839F77C.60306@FreeBSD.org> Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 00:34:20 +0100 From: "Bruce M. Simpson" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080514) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tony Finch References: <200805252211.m4PMBgEU052231@repoman.freebsd.org> <4839E7A8.5050205@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: cvs-src@FreeBSD.org, src-committers@FreeBSD.org, Robert Watson , cvs-all@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/etc/mtree BSD.include.dist BSD.usr.dist src/include Makefile src/lib Makefile src/lib/libatm Makefile atm_addr.c cache_key.c ioctl_subr.c ip_addr.c ip_checksum.c libatm.h timer.c src/rescue/rescue Makefile src/sbin/atm Makefile ... X-BeenThere: cvs-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: CVS commit messages for the entire tree List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 23:34:22 -0000 Tony Finch wrote: > On Sun, 25 May 2008, Bruce M. Simpson wrote: > >> ATM shows no signs of going away as a WAN access technology for people in the >> UK, although its use in the core outside of British Telecom is being eroded by >> newer technologies. >> > > Doesn't BT's 21cn mean the death of ATM there too? > The G.998.1 part of ADSL2+ still mandates ATM as the transport. Given how BT tend to roll things it out I would speculate that they are still using ATM after 21CN migration, although I have no data to confirm this either way. PPPoA is not going away any time soon -- it's written into the ITU specs for G.DMT-lite after all -- and there is a huge installed user base for that technology. Whatever happens with 21CN is still going to take time to filter down to the rest of the populace. Also, someone's going to have to pay for it somehow. Of course the whole ruckus over ATM in ADSL with people in the first place, was that it locked them into using vendor gear, effectively denying people control over their own IP endpoint address, and restricting the services they can use as a result. cheers BMS