From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 19:09:55 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6033106590B for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 19:09:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-37.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-37.bluehost.com [69.89.20.191]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B12A68FC08 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 19:09:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 11692 invoked by uid 0); 28 May 2009 19:09:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 28 May 2009 19:09:52 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=RQWhJY1Wne5VEanQ1bZROMHlUUbM35ikM1ZM4Lq4YBzjATh/dXRfG0h+d2VW89yx96hahSfxBE013t9dRvVrTkGWbzwtUDBo7LBTE4iKcGJp7CcR6WJfdiyUhwYBi/m5; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1M9kzA-0002El-Fb for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 28 May 2009 13:09:52 -0600 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 28 May 2009 13:04:47 -0600 Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 13:04:47 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090528190447.GE40206@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> <744a9119476160472a319bbc9f4fd799.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com> <065001c9def1$54ae3f40$fe0abdc0$@za.org> <20090527221211.GB55127@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="KuLpqunXa7jZSBt+" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090527221211.GB55127@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 19:09:58 -0000 --KuLpqunXa7jZSBt+ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 06:12:11PM -0400, Jerry McAllister wrote: > On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 02:38:46PM -0500, Neal Hogan wrote: >=20 > > On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Wojciech Puchar > > wrote: > > >>> > > >>> Of course - ban it! > > >> > > >> > > >> Just my 2c... Snotty comments like this in a public forum, is exactl= y why > > >> I > > >> no longer use FreeBSD. =A0Just about everything in these mailing lis= ts turns > > > > > > If you stopped using FreeBSD BECAUSE OF FORUM, congratulations ;) > > > > > > This means that OS functionality is not important for you at all! > >=20 > > Well, that certainly doesn't follow. >=20 > Actually, that one does. > If you use FreeBSD because of the OS functionality/reliability, etc > then trashy noise on the questions list wouldn't make a difference > in your choice. If you stop using it because you don't like the > noise, then functionality is not your high priority. Maybe saying > 'at all' is over the top. But, anyway, the noise is getting tiresome -= =20 > even mine. False dichotomy. It is possible to value both the quality of the community support *and* the characteristics of the OS, and for sufficient problems in one to overcome the benefits of the other. It's not a matter of *only* the community discussion venue *or* the technical characteristics of the OS to matter. Both can matter and, when one fails spectacularly enough for a particular person's needs, it is perfectly reasonable to expect that person to choose a different OS based on a better (for his/her purposes) combination of OS and community quality. I, of course, tend to find the FreeBSD community quite wonderful, as OS communities go -- aside from one particular fly in the ointment. Combine that with the excellence of the documentation and the technical (and licensing) benefits of the OS itself, and I'm happy being here. I can understand how some of the failures in the community to be a perfect ray of sunshine might put off some users, though, without immediately jumping to the conclusion that those users don't give a crap about the quality of the OS at all. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Joel Ryder: "Ask Ren is definitely faster than Ask Jeeves. Jeeves doesn't give you an attitude though, so I guess it's a trade off." --KuLpqunXa7jZSBt+ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.10 (FreeBSD) iEUEARECAAYFAkoe4E8ACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKU9+ACeNxjz87ZF/VbAoPjTLO10jT0r AfIAl2qvQNDHruqoSSmStf3jHtlzlJs= =je5D -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --KuLpqunXa7jZSBt+--