From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Jul 6 22:20:06 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA26892 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 22:20:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MindBender.HeadCandy.com (root@mindbender.headcandy.com [199.238.225.168]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA26820 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 22:19:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.HeadCandy.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA01570; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 22:18:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199607070518.WAA01570@MindBender.HeadCandy.com> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.HeadCandy.com: Host michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Joel Yancey cc: Henry Spencer , "Jacob M. Parnas" , Richard Foulk , hardware@freebsd.org, bsdi-users@bsdi.com Subject: Re: cable vs. ISDN In-reply-to: Your message of Sat, 06 Jul 96 20:15:24 -0600. Date: Sat, 06 Jul 1996 22:18:58 -0700 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >plus, they CLAIM everyone >will have 10mbps per house hold, well, considering that theres not thaty >much bandwidth to waste for a bunch of web browsing crowd, and they say >that there will only be 128k recieve, but 10mbps send. now thats strange. Nobody claimed "everyone" would get 10Mb/s per household. I've heard many different rates, depending on where you live, and what kind of infrastructure is in place. 1) Regardless, almost every figure I have heard quoted, except for the very lowest, are still better than modems. Many of them are better than ISDN, and *much* better than modems. Who cares if it's 10Mb/s or 1Mb/s? It's still *way* faster than anything else I can connect with. 2) Without exception, every figure I have heard quoted has the *send* side the same or slower than receive. None of them have the receive side slow and send fast. What would be the point. Besides, it just doesn't make sense. 3) 128Kb/s is still the fastest ISDN will (currently) go, and several times faster than the fastest modem. Where's the problem? I'd take 128Kb/s in a heartbeat if I could get it at the same price as my current modem connection. >well, First Off,if cable modems were around, ISP's wouldnt be, because >the Cable company has taken over the business. [...] >*I* myself, dont like that opinion, because the cable company doesnt >really know what a computer system is all about, and i dont like the fact >that then they would have a monopoly. Who says the ISPs won't still be around? That's an awful speculative jump of logic. Someone still has to sell the *services*, and who says the cable company will even be interested. Who's going to provide USENET news, Web service, login shells? I doubt my cable company will be interested in all that. Which means my cable company can provide a pipe to the 'net, and let someone else sell me the rest. Sounds like a really good market for ISPs. Also, who says the phone companies know anything more than the cable companies. They've had their thumbs up their asses for so long, trying to figure out how to sell us trailing-edge digital technology without hurting their business profits, that they may end up missing this boat entirely. Personally, I don't care. Whoever gets to my house first with a digital tap I can afford, with decent performance, will get my business. If it's the cable company, fine. Phone company? Well, I don't have any love for them, but I'll take what they offer *if* they manage to get here first. I'd say the odds are against them, however. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@HeadCandy.com --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... Roll your own Internet access -- Seattle People's Internet cooperative. If you're in the Seattle area, ask me how. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------