From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 26 03:20:38 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FC0416A4CE for ; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 03:20:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp001.bizmail.yahoo.com (smtp001.bizmail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.125]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 23EEB43D1F for ; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 03:20:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from noackjr@alumni.rice.edu) Received: from unknown (HELO optimator.noacks.org) (noackjr@supercrime.org@70.240.249.252 with login) by smtp001.bizmail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2004 03:20:37 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimator.noacks.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE25661D2; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 22:20:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: from optimator.noacks.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (optimator.noacks.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 43933-03; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 22:20:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: from compgeek.noacks.org (compgeek [192.168.1.10]) by optimator.noacks.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E6C76140; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 22:20:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by compgeek.noacks.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i5Q3KYwm034263; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 22:20:35 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from noackjr@alumni.rice.edu) Message-ID: <40DCEB82.2020801@alumni.rice.edu> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 22:20:34 -0500 From: Jon Noack User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7 (X11/20040624) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: akbeech@northwindcom.dyndns.org References: <200406251853.45449.akbeech@northwindcom.dyndns.org> In-Reply-To: <200406251853.45449.akbeech@northwindcom.dyndns.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at noacks.org cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: X.Org X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: noackjr@alumni.rice.edu List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 03:20:38 -0000 On 06/25/04 21:53, Beecher Rintoul wrote: > I have been using XFree86 for some time now, and it's time to do some > upgrades. I have heard that the new X.Org might be a better choice. Does > anyone have an opinion on it? With the time involved to compile on a 400 MHz > box, I thought I would ask before I just dove in. The x11@ list has in-depth discussion on this topic: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-x11/2004-June/thread.html I made the switch to xorg and things were pretty smooth for the most part. To be honest I haven't really noticed any difference between xfree86 4.3 and xorg. Both run well and are stable for me. Be aware that although the xorg ports have been committed (except for xorg-documents) and there is a meta port, there is not any bsd.port.mk foo to use xorg instead of xfree86. As a result, many ports still depend on xfree86 after you install or upgrade them (http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-x11/2004-June/000516.html). I've taken to manually running 'pkgdb -F' after I install or upgrade anything to ensure the dependencies are correct. You may want to wait until this situation is taken care of before switching to xorg. Alternatively, you could wait for xfree86 4.4 to be committed (Real Soon Now (tm)) and then you wouldn't have to worry about the dependency mess. At this point I don't think you're going to see much of a difference (if any) between xfree86 4.4 and xorg. I switched to xorg because most Linux distros did. Linux drives *nix desktop development (sadly) so I think the future is with xorg. I may as well change now while the differences are minor. The whole situation is rather petty (in my opinion), but it's been a long time coming... Oh, and don't compile (xfree86|xorg)-libraries with -Os. The gcc in tree mucks it up. Jon Noack