From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 4 19:21:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75EF516A4DA for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 19:21:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xj2106@columbia.edu) Received: from serrano.cc.columbia.edu (serrano.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.29.6]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06D9343D46 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 19:21:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from xj2106@columbia.edu) Received: from photon.homelinux.org (dyn-carl-201-40.dyn.columbia.edu [160.39.201.40]) (user=xj2106 mech=PLAIN bits=0) by serrano.cc.columbia.edu (8.13.7/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k74JL6LI020010 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 15:21:11 -0400 (EDT) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <44D36A12.5090000@scottevil.com> <20060804161318.95452.qmail@web35307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060804163116.GB42319@dan.emsphone.com> <87zmeknzg7.fsf@photon.homelinux.org> <20060804184255.GA18129@saltmine.radix.net> From: Xiao-Yong Jin Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 15:21:06 -0400 In-Reply-To: <20060804184255.GA18129@saltmine.radix.net> (Thomas Dickey's message of "Fri, 4 Aug 2006 14:42:55 -0400") Message-ID: <87vep8nw7x.fsf@photon.homelinux.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/23.0.0 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-No-Spam-Score: Local X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.48 on 128.59.29.6 Subject: Re: Midnight Commander in base distribution set X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 19:21:19 -0000 Thomas Dickey writes: > On Fri, Aug 04, 2006 at 02:11:20PM -0400, Xiao-Yong Jin wrote: >> Dan Nelson writes: >> >> > In the last episode (Aug 04), Andrew Gould said: >> >> --- Scott Oertel wrote: >> >> > I use midnight commander on a daily basis, can anyone recommend a >> >> > better, more lightweight tool then mc? > ... >> > Actually, mc is pretty lightweight if you disable all the options. Note > > ;-) > >> Anyway, for a base system, it's still a bit heavy. In fact, one can >> always do anything with cp/mv.... I believe the base system should >> only include the simplest solution, that is, the most fundamental >> tools one needs, and without redundancy. > > "anything", given enough time/energy. > Yes. That's what the port system came for. You cannot just put anything into the base system, even if it's lightweight. Perhaps many people love mc, but there are people who have never used it. (Personally, I prefer dired in Emacs.) And I believe you can always do much more with basic tools than you do with mc, right? ;-) Much more, given enough time/energy. I always believe we should keep the base system as simple as possible. Actually, if it's really hard to connect to the internet, one can always burn a CD full of distfiles. > This is more lightweight than mc, and does things that mc doesn't: > > http://invisible-island.net/ded/ > Interesting. You can try to make it into the ports tree. > -- > Thomas E. Dickey > http://invisible-island.net > ftp://invisible-island.net -- Xiao-Yong