From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 4 19:26:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A823916A4DE for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 19:26:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freminlins@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.185]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 966EB43D5D for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 19:26:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freminlins@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id l35so158327nfa for ; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 12:26:23 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=mTUnQvKLrIf+HAwsqYLxaxqhNmjjsnc/Eu62JyaBOJcJWinbiKhyyIt9gwcTjwxwMjZE3CYUwb9T4YOPN7Y333sbWa8qLW6eYDbQcPMnbkNiLv25qmSJsY385K0A5xeDT6QK6J2VVGpvDVGkCdmg5HwmLaXX4sxztmuEiqKP25E= Received: by 10.49.29.2 with SMTP id g2mr5766707nfj; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 12:26:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.208.6 with HTTP; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 12:26:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 20:26:23 +0100 From: Freminlins To: "Joseph Le-Phan" In-Reply-To: <87vep84cly.fsf@geekbox.foldfarm.foo> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <44D36A12.5090000@scottevil.com> <20060804161318.95452.qmail@web35307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060804163116.GB42319@dan.emsphone.com> <87vep84cly.fsf@geekbox.foldfarm.foo> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Midnight Commander in base distribution set X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 19:26:27 -0000 On 04/08/06, Joseph Le-Phan wrote: > Personally, it'd be fantastic if mc was slated for inclusion. It's an > absolute necessary install once I get a system up and running. The thing is, once you go down this route it won't stop. Other people regard bash, or lsof, or vim, or wget as an "absolute necessary install". bash gets put on all our boxes because three of my colleagues prefer it. For them it is essential - they won't use csh. I regard Tcl as an "absolute necessary install" as that is my chosen scripting language. I put it on every box I use (even Windows). And that's the problem. As I personally don't use mc it's inclusion would be wasted on me. And if Tcl was included it would be wasted on many (most!) other people. I have to say I absolutely enjoy using FreeBSD, more so than any other OS. And part of that joy comes from the few minutes installation for the base OS. I used to use Redhat. My first outing with that was version 4.2. Then as time went on it no longer fitted on a single CD (after 6.2 IIRC.) And the clutter and junk it installed (presumably because someone thought it was essential or useful) was just appalling. IMHO the base install is best left lean like it is now - the only additions should provide additional OS functionality, not user functionality. Joseph Le-Phan [GPG key: 292E09A0] My 2 pence. Frem.