From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jul 2 13:14: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from shell.webmaster.com (mail.webmaster.com [209.133.28.73]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2DC41506D for ; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 13:14:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from davids@webmaster.com) Received: from whenever ([209.133.29.2]) by shell.webmaster.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-12345L500S10000V35) with SMTP id com; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 13:13:57 -0700 From: "David Schwartz" To: "G. Adam Stanislav" , Subject: RE: Shut up and show them the code Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 13:13:56 -0700 Message-ID: <000001bec4c7$6a0597c0$021d85d1@youwant.to> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990702115124.0099b480@mail.bfm.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sounds to me like he's simply advocating intellectual dishonesty. The thrust of his article is that RMS's rhetoric sounds communistic to people, so even if you agree with him, you shouldn't talk about it. You should instead pretend that you don't agree. That way you'll bring more people into the Open Source movement. This same sort of dishonesty is what disgusted me in the Libertarian movement. Advocates of absolute property rights instead claimed that they believed that "force and fraud are wrong". A tactical decision, allgedly. But, of course, "force and fraud" are incomprehensible without property rights. I eat a banana, is that force? Yes if it's your banana. If you agree with RMS's principles, then you can find your own way of expressing it. But an attempt to hide it by not talking about principles is worse than nothing. DS > Just discovered Eric Raymond's new article where he sums up nicely what's > wrong with RMS rhetoric: > > http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/writings/shut-up-and-show-them.html > > Adam > --- > Gracula v3.0 just released. Don't miss it. > Visit Count Gracula's Gallery: > http://www.whizkidtech.net/gcl/gallery/ > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message