From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 16 17:44:03 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49A8516A4D0 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 17:44:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pi.codefab.com (pi.codefab.com [199.103.21.227]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD1F343D1D for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 17:44:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (pool-68-160-208-232.ny325.east.verizon.net [68.160.208.232]) by pi.codefab.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j0GHhwC3054170 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 16 Jan 2005 12:44:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <41EAA854.1040500@mac.com> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 12:45:56 -0500 From: Chuck Swiger Organization: The Courts of Chaos User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthias Buelow References: <20050115210617.A20158@starfire.mn.org> <20050116041626.GB13042@osiris.chen.org.nz> <41E9F612.5030901@taborandtashell.net> <20050115233404.B20530@starfire.mn.org> <20050116060442.GA847@osiris.chen.org.nz> <41EA0B3F.3030209@incubus.de> In-Reply-To: <41EA0B3F.3030209@incubus.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.90.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.9 required=5.5 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_NJABL_DUL, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL autolearn=disabled version=3.0.1 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on pi.codefab.com cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I need a cuppa... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 17:44:03 -0000 Matthias Buelow wrote: > Jonathan Chen wrote: >> Blame Sun; they don't make it easy for organizations like FreeBSD >> to release a binary version of Java. > > Even Apple doesn't show up in their radar... what do you expect. This is untrue. The Mac Runtime for Java is a high-priority environment for both Apple and Sun. Apple has been creating and pushing back some pretty significant improvements in how to share JVM's between processes more efficiently in terms of shared memory usage, and reduce the dynamic loading startup costs. > Java is as proprietary as it gets. (Unfortunately many of us need it.) Nonsense. While Java isn't OSI Open Source compliant, it's more open than anything which *doesn't* come with the sources included. -- -Chuck