From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Sep 9 11:58:49 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0577C37B400 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 11:58:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from directvinternet.com (dsl-65-185-140-165.telocity.com [65.185.140.165]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C75243E4A for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 11:58:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nwestfal@directvinternet.com) Received: from Tolstoy.home.lan (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by directvinternet.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g89IwZGd098779; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 11:58:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nwestfal@directvinternet.com) Received: from localhost (nwestfal@localhost) by Tolstoy.home.lan (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) with ESMTP id g89IwYOG098776; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 11:58:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: Tolstoy.home.lan: nwestfal owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 11:58:33 -0700 (PDT) From: "Neal E. Westfall" X-X-Sender: nwestfal@Tolstoy.home.lan To: Eric Anderson Cc: Lawrence Sica , Terry Lambert , Joshua Lee , , Subject: Re: Why did evolution fail? In-Reply-To: <3D7CE138.7090406@centtech.com> Message-ID: <20020909115456.M9219-100000@Tolstoy.home.lan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 9 Sep 2002, Eric Anderson wrote: > Neal E. Westfall wrote: > >>If you take a step back far enough those random chances become very > >>predicateable. Read up on chaos theory and how randomness works. > > > > > > Chaos theory itself is misnamed, and the implication that predictability > > can arise from randomness is a contradiction. If something is > > predictable, it is not random, nor chaotic. All chaos theory shows is > > that what people previously assumed to be chaotic (due to our inability > > to account for all the minute factors) is actually not chaotic at all. > > Chaos theory is only intelligible if you introduce a controlling factor > > that gets real close to sounding something like the Christian doctrine > > of God's Providence. > > > What?? I've tried to ignore most of this thread, but this is hilarious.. > > Nothing is random.. > > Why is it that some who have strong religious beliefs often say that > anything that is not explainable or understandable in THEIR eyes, must > be a God's work? Instead of possibly learning what others have learned, > they assume they "know all" and leave it in their religions hands to answer. Your argument is a double-edged sword. Evolutionists do the very thing you accuse religious people of, except instead of God, they call it "chance". I would like for just one person to explain exactly what "chance" is. But it's even worse than this, because unlike God, chance cannot account for rationality, science, logic, and all the rest. Neal To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message