From owner-cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 10 18:35:26 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: cvs-all@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC1FC16A4CE; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:35:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mx1.originative.co.uk (freebsd.gotadsl.co.uk [81.6.249.198]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 290D843D39; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:35:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from paul@mx1.originative.co.uk) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.originative.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8F8415586; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:34:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mx1.originative.co.uk ([127.0.0.1])port 10024) with ESMTP id 35855-05; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:34:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: by mx1.originative.co.uk (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 5CEF915589; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:34:47 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:34:46 +0000 From: Paul Richards To: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-ID: <20050310183446.GW98930@myrddin.originative.co.uk> References: <20050310181903.GU98930@myrddin.originative.co.uk> <3301.1110479070@critter.freebsd.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3301.1110479070@critter.freebsd.dk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.8i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at originative.co.uk X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 12:56:13 +0000 cc: Brian Fundakowski Feldman cc: Maxim Sobolev cc: src-committers@FreeBSD.org cc: Brooks Davis cc: cvs-src@FreeBSD.org cc: alfred@FreeBSD.org cc: cvs-all@FreeBSD.org cc: des@des.no cc: "M. Warner Losh" Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/compat/linux linux_socket.c X-BeenThere: cvs-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CVS commit messages for the entire tree List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:35:26 -0000 On Thu, Mar 10, 2005 at 07:24:30PM +0100, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > In message <20050310181903.GU98930@myrddin.originative.co.uk>, Paul Richards wr > ites: > > >That's the crux of FreeBSD's problem really. We can't tell the > >commercial world to change the way they work to suit what we want > >to do. If we want them to take FreeBSD seriously we have to fit > >with the expectations they have. > > No, the crux of FreeBSD's problem is the differing opinion on how > serious we want to be taken. > > I for instance, do not want "the commercial world", (by which we > in this case means "application producing companies") to take us > anymore serious than we are able to be. > > Being realistic about our capacity and ability is far more important > to everybody, than promising specific goals of dubious reachability. I have no disagreement with that position. In fact, raising this issue bolsters that position by showing just how far away we are from being able to produce a product suited to that sort of commercial environment. -- Paul Richards