From owner-freebsd-mobile Sun Mar 28 8:48:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from phk.freebsd.dk (phk.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.153]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FD551554F for ; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 08:48:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.131]) by phk.freebsd.dk (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA26260; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 18:48:29 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id SAA17233; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 18:48:25 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) To: NAKAGAWA Yoshihisa Cc: Juriy Goloveshkin , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Re[2]: Which LAN PCCARD for FreeBSD (no PAO!) In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 28 Mar 1999 14:22:30 +0900." <199903280522.OAA00919@chandra.eatell.msr.prug.or.jp> Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 18:48:24 +0200 Message-ID: <17231.922639704@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <199903280522.OAA00919@chandra.eatell.msr.prug.or.jp>, NAKAGAWA Yosh ihisa writes: >> and if PAO is better, why it isn`t in "plain FreeBSD"? > >Because Nate disagree PAO integrate. He didn't understand PAO >correctly. He belive "PAO is buggy", but it is not true. Many PAO >code is very useful and correctly working. Main part of PAO, it >should be integrated to "plain FreeBSD" (some experiments codes >are not). I'm sorry, but clearly Nate and I have a quite different oppinion than you do here. Please notice that code can be "very useful and correctly working" and still be a royal mess. Several major projects I've worked on would be classified in that category. For all practical purposes the Danish Tax law fits that description too. The main objection from my side is that the PAO code is prototype quality. The secondary objection from my side is that we need a general (as in: pccard & cardbus & docking station & mini-pci & hot-plug-pci &c &c) framework for dealing with devices with dynamic precense. The PAO code doesn't provide anything even close to that, but does provide some experience with some of the low-level pccard cases. As I said in my previous email on the topic: everybody should grab hold of, and read "The Mythical Man-Month" by Frederick P. Brooks. Poul-Henning -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." FreeBSD -- It will take a long time before progress goes too far! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message