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Thread-Index: AcazHv8dMz92HRxvSgSTkEegp/IGRwAfWJvg From: "Born, Clinton" To: "Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC" , "Born, Clinton" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jul 2006 05:52:04.0669 (UTC) FILETIME=[48F16ED0:01C6B39C] Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: RE: Are hardware vendors starting to bail on FreeBSD ... ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 05:52:06 -0000 Morons proliferate this list. -----Original Message----- From: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC [mailto:chad@shire.net]=20 Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 7:55 AM To: Born, Clinton Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Are hardware vendors starting to bail on FreeBSD ... ? On Jul 29, 2006, at 6:39 AM, Born, Clinton wrote: > Yawn.... You are exactly what I'm talking about. As you are yourself Chad > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ted Mittelstaedt [mailto:tedm@toybox.placo.com] > Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 9:56 PM > To: Born, Clinton; Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC > Cc: FreeBSD Questions > Subject: Re: Are hardware vendors starting to bail on FreeBSD ... ? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Born, Clinton" > To: "Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC" ; "Born, Clinton" > > Cc: "FreeBSD Questions" > Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 10:24 AM > Subject: RE: Are hardware vendors starting to bail on FreeBSD ... ? > > >> A predilection to evangelize tools that supports ones own belief in >> software superiority is what curtails our ability to move any =20 >> platform >> forward. I would keep a hesitant eye on any individual that holds =20 >> such >> fervent beliefs. > > Do you keep a hesitant eye on Microsoft, then? Since they are one of > the > biggest evangelizers of their own tools there is... > >> I have old NT servers that have run Disney.com > > Apparently, not. > >> for >> several years and have served us well. Technology is an enabler, =20 >> not a >> divider. Too many people unknowingly adopt the later. >> > > This is just a load of dingos kidneys. Your no better than anyone =20 > else > you > are just spewing to sound superior. > > The "best tool for the job" why that is a loaded statement if there =20 > ever > was > one. > There are precious few jobs > out there that I can think of that there are not multiple, different > tools > for that > many people use with equal success. In fact the only one that =20 > comes to > mind > is pulling the tilt steering wheel on a 80's-90's GM vehicle, since it > uses > a > special tool that only SnapOn ever manufactured. > > One person's "best tool" is another person's junk tool. This is a > subjective > judgement if there ever was one. And there is really nothing wrong =20 > with > it. > > Sorry if it offends your politically correct credentials (good example > of > why > disney's quality has gone down the toilet in the last 20 years) but it > does > not > harm anyone's ability to move any platform forward to have a bunch of > vocal > detractors out there. Everyone loves their platform of choice and =20 > it is > perfectly > OK for them to be as vocal as they like, and nobody is harmed for that > happening. > > The people who are willing to be open minded will use a mix of tools > from > Microsoft and the rest of the world, and the people who are closed > minded > will use tools from Microsoft, and neither is going to pay any =20 > attention > to > whatever > loudmouths are bandmouthing their choices. That's the way the =20 > world has > worked in the past when IBM was king people did the same thing, and > that's > the way it will always work. > > You can stand up an be counted as an open minded person, or you can =20 > use > NT > and stand up to be counted with the closed minded people who only use > Microsoft solutions. It's your choice. > > Ted > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >> [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Chad Leigh > -- >> Shire.Net LLC >> Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 5:31 PM >> To: Born, Clinton >> Cc: FreeBSD Questions >> Subject: Re: Are hardware vendors starting to bail on FreeBSD ... ? >> >> >> On Jul 27, 2006, at 5:41 PM, Born, Clinton wrote: >> >>> Really? I wouldn't want such a myopic view when choosing to >>> allocate our >>> shareholders dollars. Best tool for the job. Period! >> >> That is not as easy as you make it out to be. WHat one might in the >> short term see as the best tool may not be such in 2 years when >> support is dropped and you are in a forced obsolescence and have to >> replace it with something else... So making value judgments like >> tools that are known to be well supported on FReeBSD for example is >> part of determining the best tool for the job >> >> Chad >> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >>> [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Amitabh > Kant >>> Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 11:28 AM >>> To: Nikolas Britton >>> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >>> Subject: Re: Are hardware vendors starting to bail on FreeBSD ... ? >>> >>> And this is what I always do. As a person responsible for >>> recommending/approving/buying harware related stuff for few > different >>> companies, I make it a point that I *prefer* only those brands that >>> have support for FreeBSD. For me, this is more so in case of RAID >>> cards. >>> >>> On 7/27/06, Nikolas Britton wrote: >>>> Except most of the people using FreeBSD in a professional setting > are >>>> pretty high up on the IT/IS/MIS food chain. If a product doesn't > work >>>> on my platform of choice then there's no way in hell I'll approve >>>> it's >>>> uses on other platforms, FreeBSD is my litmus test. If a vendor >>>> doesn't support FreeBSD they can still pass my test by providing > open >>>> documentation. >>>> >>> >>> I see the whole issue this way: companies are free to choose whether >>> to support FreeBSD or not, and I am free to choose/recommend their >>> product in my installations. It's only when we start to speak with > our >>> money bags, that it will make commercial sense to them to support >>> *BSD. >>> >>> Amitabh >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- >>> unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >> --- >> Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC >> Your Web App and Email hosting provider >> chad at shire.net >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-=20 > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" --- Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Your Web App and Email hosting provider chad at shire.net