From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 4 22:25:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8191216A4DD; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 22:25:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jmg@hydrogen.funkthat.com) Received: from hydrogen.funkthat.com (gate.funkthat.com [69.17.45.168]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F020E43D45; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 22:25:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jmg@hydrogen.funkthat.com) Received: from hydrogen.funkthat.com (f7u4pwpdb33t5c1v@localhost.funkthat.com [127.0.0.1]) by hydrogen.funkthat.com (8.13.6/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k74MPA4Z083694; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 15:25:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmg@hydrogen.funkthat.com) Received: (from jmg@localhost) by hydrogen.funkthat.com (8.13.6/8.13.3/Submit) id k74MP9eQ083693; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 15:25:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmg) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 15:25:08 -0700 From: John-Mark Gurney To: Scott Long Message-ID: <20060804222508.GF58082@funkthat.com> Mail-Followup-To: Scott Long , "Patrick M. Hausen" , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, User Freebsd References: <20060731224403.T27679@ganymede.hub.org> <20060801075159.GD64880@hugo10.ka.punkt.de> <20060801083550.GE64880@hugo10.ka.punkt.de> <20060801113704.K27679@ganymede.hub.org> <20060801150540.GA10310@hugo10.ka.punkt.de> <44CF74CC.4070401@samsco.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <44CF74CC.4070401@samsco.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.4-RELEASE-p6 i386 X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 EC EF F8 AE ED A7 31 96 7A 22 B3 D8 56 36 F4 X-Files: The truth is out there X-URL: http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/ X-Resume: http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/resume.html Cc: "Patrick M. Hausen" , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, User Freebsd Subject: Re: iir(4) driver (Was: Re: Safe card to replace for ICP Vortex GDT851...) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: John-Mark Gurney List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 22:25:11 -0000 Scott Long wrote this message on Tue, Aug 01, 2006 at 09:35 -0600: > FreeBSD. Making big statements in public that they don't, or that it's > not up to ones' standards or hopes, isn't terribly useful or productive. > I'd hate for FreeBSD to turn into That Other BSD that publically abuses > and harasses vendors for percieved sleights. There are much more > positive and product ways to fix problems and form good relationships, > and those ways are actively being pursued by some people right now. The problem is that these pursuits are not public knowlege, and very often trying to get support through even better than normal channels (i.e. using your system builder's extra clout) doesn't get you this info... The most they tell you is sorry, no support, and we are just being nice to even tell you this since you're running something else... I believe that honest information is better than hopes that turn up fruitless... I've had no end of issues w/ Intel trying to get them to fix various issues w/ their cards (SRCU31A and SRCU42L), and they won't even acknowledge that failing drives due to SELECTION_TIMEOUT, ABORTED COMMAND, OVERLAPPED COMMANDS ATTEMPTED or DISCONNECT_TIMEOUT is a major issue... Due to the fact that SRCU31A is so old, they haven't qualified the newer 2.42 firmware w/ the card... We are going to look at it, since we haven't seen any "failed" hd's on the 2.42 firmware... > And here again is my standard disclaimer: > I highly recommend that anyone who takes their data integrity seriously > should spend time qualifying any RAID solution that they are interested > in before putting it into production. What works for your workload > might not work for someone else's workload, and vice-versa. Agreed, luckily we found the hang issue w/ 5.x before we shipped, so we were saved yet another disaster... > Patrick M. Hausen wrote: > >Hello! > > > > > >>'k, just to clarify here ... the new products won't be based on the > >>iir(4) driver then? > > > > > >Yes, they won't. > > > > > >>Basically, should the iir(4) driver be considered EOE also? > > > > > >As far as Adaptec and ICP Vortex are concerned, yes. Since the > >driver is Open Source, there is no enforced EOE, just "orphanage", > >if nobody is willing to work on it. > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- John-Mark Gurney Voice: +1 415 225 5579 "All that I will do, has been done, All that I have, has not."