From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 27 09:52:22 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B47E116A4B3 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 09:52:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from a.mail.peak.org (a.mail.peak.org [69.59.192.41]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E385043FE5 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 09:52:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luomat@peak.org) Received: from [69.59.192.81] ([69.59.192.81]) by a.mail.peak.org (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h8RGqLUZ099384 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Sat, 27 Sep 2003 16:52:21 GMT Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 09:52:21 -0700 (PDT) From: "Timothy J. Luoma" X-X-Sender: luomat@a.shell.peak.org To: Brett Glass In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20030926233937.03b9fee0@localhost> Message-ID: References: <20030922194015.GA20427@kyblik.pieskovisko.sk> <20030922194015.GA20427@kyblik.pieskovisko.sk> <4.3.2.7.2.20030926233937.03b9fee0@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Score: -2.5 () EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_PINE X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.29 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: M2 (Opera) Re: What are people using for MUA's nowadays? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 16:52:22 -0000 On Fri, 26 Sep 2003, Brett Glass wrote: > At 06:18 PM 9/22/2003, Timothy Luoma wrote: > > >M2 doesn't use folders. Really. Instead it uses what is essentially a database. All of your email goes into the database and is stored in there. Think of it as a circle. All of your email is inside the circle. You can enter the circle from a number of different directions. > > That's correct. It's all a big database; instead of having "folders," you > have "views." > > The problem is that if this big, monolithic, proprietary-format database > gets corrupted, you're hosed. You can lose everything. This is absolutely NOT true of M2. M2 stores the messages in plain-text format. Goto opera:about and find the folder marked Mail directory. Goto the 'storage' subdirectory and you will find your mail in .mbs files. It is also not in one big file either, but in several smaller files. This was done for speed purposes, although I don't know or understand the specifics. > And because every access is a database query, opening a "view" with a > lot of messages in it can be painfully slow. My wife subscribes to > several mailing lists, and recently upgraded from an older version of > Opera to Opera 7, which uses M2. When she opened a "view" of a mailing > list with several thousand messages, everything slowed to a crawl. > Paging up or down in the list of messages was annoyingly slow as well. > She's now pushing me to find her a better MUA. I don't have any views with that many messages in them yet, but I previously used an earlier version of M2 with about 60k messages and found that seemed to be a tipping point. > Last I heard, the FreeBSD version didn't have the mail client. Has > this changed? Yes http://www.opera.com/products/user/m2/index.dml?platform=freebsd TjL