From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 19 10:34:36 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BD60C256 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2014 10:34:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ie0-x22f.google.com (mail-ie0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c03::22f]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8D6A7232 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2014 10:34:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ie0-f175.google.com with SMTP id to1so8578570ieb.20 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2014 03:34:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=iRe+f13qOWZ1ve0eCi/qJzQ66ly7OF7N1huL2taro8g=; b=pF81rEPaibydlkzQwZ8ZafBVQBVhMaFqpbxsclC/7fOTBJxEU5x4o3D/Kh9v8v13dn yObej9+28L8W1w6ExcmpYZo/fQ1WuCVHOctmrL/ErjJZHcMPnGnVGr0G2XEEtDsC7zWV rlgNIwYPPuZfmDsmCNMA+IpCHNjtbwiO5flPJvIybD+EzwNRximViw3qqWA+Y+sT7HHW 21VCspBwjS30Oq2t9n7wKsFXFQkOlul+jp0agy6YAYkgmiVbApdHvfbPX+WILbbM+zcb c2xS50BPyxCIQi7KJMUGIUA1iHRDn/6YhL9HspsOTHjn++Y3O/TLSffVXpfrJs+WS2rX PDGA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.12.100 with SMTP id x4mr24047950igb.15.1395225276056; Wed, 19 Mar 2014 03:34:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.73.34 with HTTP; Wed, 19 Mar 2014 03:34:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2014 11:34:36 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: FreeBSD is really great.. BUT.. From: Martin Braun To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.17 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2014 10:34:36 -0000 FreeBSD is really great.. BUT.. I stopped using FreeBSD when it was about 5.x or something because I found I spend more time compiling than I did managing our server room. I went with Debian (and the beloved apt-get tool) and I never looked back. Then I needed to test different containers out so I tested Linux-VServer, Xen, UML, and other stuff, and naturally I had to test FreeBSD Jails. I decided to use ezjail and I noticed that FreeBSD has gotten some new really cool tools and jails combined with ZFS are incredible. So pkg_add is gone and now there is the new and improved pkg and together with "freebsd-update" it is possible to keep a system upgraded at all times using ONLY binary packages, which are great! The whole point of the ports system is as stated on the OpenBSD FAQ: "The end result of the porting effort are ready-to-install binary packages." So great.. yes? NO! Why not? Because still the FreeBSD ports team doesn't agree with that notion from the OpenBSD FAQ about packages. The binary packages on FreeBSD are compiled with so few options available that you end up compiling the whole bunch from source anyway! A simple setup on a mailserver with Postfix, Dovecot, MySQL, and a couple of other packages doesn't work using the binary packages because they are NOT compiled to fit together! Now.. what the "=C2=A4"%"#!"!=C2=A4 is the point then!? Why don't we just f= orget about binary packages in FreeBSD and make everyone compile? There's no point in making those pre-made binary packages ready for usage when they are only freaking compiled to run alone without any kind of usage what so ever! Now.. was this post an "acid reflux"? Ooh.. yeah! Sorry, but I really think it's a shame. Some don't trust binary packages from FreeBSD and some just like to tweak - GREAT! But others just like to get some work done.. rather than compiling.. compiling.. compiling..!