From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 19 11:21:48 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8F361B51 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2014 11:21:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-la0-x22c.google.com (mail-la0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c03::22c]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 01CA78DF for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2014 11:21:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-la0-f44.google.com with SMTP id hr13so5791794lab.17 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2014 04:21:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=b3yihDBr0RfsebkKGHFNXY52QNYlpbt1KbkJEu4IR7o=; b=RzowGu+UW6mFz5KJRLC/3VhSK4W/Vo02wYEmJ4uiVa/pJnWT9dOFJrbTFvuMMSMLPq gDbP6g2eNI5t/Rxke/6uRkbUoNvU0nC1CDx6YM39GjjsWCtE2j0/2u5ZUkls4EkRYSlT sBuhFzRPCkf+CTlNDs1WEEAuRBPIpH9oPeaDrdjhW+LGzGW+z1yy+n4Gciy7qwoefJzk K1jjnv54H8GH6CNbKS5bp0WO5oCOmmaZc5OKMd8E8WyAvB4YwMOTcm7ky0XjrlULG3/Z M5ON4yp496mAIuWbwo1sy/4tekH360a6HiGdY01gv+uVhdgOInX8IJQ0dJidarCF5HLq 9vbA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.171.136 with SMTP id au8mr23942937lbc.0.1395228105865; Wed, 19 Mar 2014 04:21:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.1.100 with HTTP; Wed, 19 Mar 2014 04:21:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <53297C5C.5030608@gmail.com> References: <53297C5C.5030608@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2014 08:21:45 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FreeBSD is really great.. BUT.. From: Friedrich Locke To: Johan Hendriks , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.17 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2014 11:21:48 -0000 Hi, *BSD is by far superior to any linux distro you may ever think. Of course BSD has their problems too. For instance: the installation process of FreeBSD is to complex, OpenBSD is too simple (try to install both and you will see what i mean). I have used FreeBSD and now i am with OpenBSD, but due to questions related to performance, i am having to face FreeBSD again. But only because performance. [] fried On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 8:15 AM, Johan Hendriks wro= te: > Martin Braun schreef: > >> FreeBSD is really great.. BUT.. >> >> I stopped using FreeBSD when it was about 5.x or something because I fou= nd >> I spend more time compiling than I did managing our server room. I went >> with Debian (and the beloved apt-get tool) and I never looked back. >> >> Then I needed to test different containers out so I tested Linux-VServer= , >> Xen, UML, and other stuff, and naturally I had to test FreeBSD Jails. I >> decided to use ezjail and I noticed that FreeBSD has gotten some new >> really >> cool tools and jails combined with ZFS are incredible. >> >> So pkg_add is gone and now there is the new and improved pkg and togethe= r >> with "freebsd-update" it is possible to keep a system upgraded at all >> times >> using ONLY binary packages, which are great! >> >> The whole point of the ports system is as stated on the OpenBSD FAQ: >> >> "The end result of the porting effort are ready-to-install binary >> packages." >> >> So great.. yes? >> >> NO! >> >> Why not? >> >> Because still the FreeBSD ports team doesn't agree with that notion from >> the OpenBSD FAQ about packages. >> > Well it is not said that OpenBSD is right and that there way is the only > way. If you want there policy, use OpenBSD. If it does not cut it, then y= ou > need another solution. > If Linux does not have jails, and you want them then you need FreeBSD wit= h > there package/ports system. If you do not want to compile stuff then ther= e > is almost no choice then to go back to Linux and use apt get. It is a > choice you will need to make. > FreeBSD does have some great features like poudriere which will create > > >> The binary packages on FreeBSD are compiled with so few options availabl= e >> that you end up compiling the whole bunch from source anyway! >> >> A simple setup on a mailserver with Postfix, Dovecot, MySQL, and a coupl= e >> of other packages doesn't work using the binary packages because they ar= e >> NOT compiled to fit together! >> > Well i use postfix, dovecot and postgreSQL, And another person does not > use a database at all and so on. So to please them all we need a postfix= , > dovecot version that has support for all databases! But what about sasl > support, some want dovecot sasl and other courier sasl. I think the powe= r > off FreeBSD lies in the ports system. I do not want a postfix version wit= h > all options for all databases compiled in that I do not use. The package > system gives you the option to install and use basic versions of the > software, if you want other options then you need to compile the ports. > If you are using a larger set of servers, then start using poudriere. It > will generate packages for you that you can redistribute across servers. > Here is a nice howto . > http://www.bsdnow.tv/tutorials/poudriere > It will give you fine controlled packages ready to pkg add at any time. > > It does not take that long to compile most off the stuff. And to be > honest, sometimes I also would like the pkg add option and be done with i= t. > But with the few servers we are running, I can live with the compile time > it takes to update the services. And when i find time I am going to setup= a > poudriere system to give me the packages I want. > > > >> Now.. what the "=A4"%"#!"!=A4 is the point then!? Why don't we just forg= et >> about binary packages in FreeBSD and make everyone compile? >> >> There's no point in making those pre-made binary packages ready for usag= e >> when they are only freaking compiled to run alone without any kind of >> usage >> what so ever! >> >> Now.. was this post an "acid reflux"? Ooh.. yeah! >> >> Sorry, but I really think it's a shame. >> >> Some don't trust binary packages from FreeBSD and some just like to twea= k >> - >> GREAT! >> >> But others just like to get some work done.. rather than compiling.. >> compiling.. compiling..! >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- >> unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org"