From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Jun 26 3:12: 6 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from empty1.ekahuna.com (empty1.ekahuna.com [198.144.200.196]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E54B737B401 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 03:11:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pc-02 (pc02.ekahuna.com [198.144.200.197]) by empty1.ekahuna.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-0U10L2S100V35) with ESMTP id com; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 03:11:56 -0700 From: "Philip J. Koenig" Organization: The Electric Kahuna Organization To: Mark Rowlands Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 03:11:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: I hate to bring it up again (spamming) Reply-To: pjklist@ekahuna.com Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20020625230039020.AAA766@empty1.ekahuna.com@pc02.ekahuna.com> In-reply-to: <200206260922.34870.mark.rowlands@minmail.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Message-ID: <20020626101156585.AAA781@empty1.ekahuna.com@pc02.ekahuna.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 26 Jun 2002, at 9:22, Mark Rowlands boldly uttered: > On Wednesday 26 June 2002 1:00 am, Philip J. Koenig wrote: > > > > As a side comment, even without Edwin, I've never been on a technical > > > > list that got so much spam. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > DDDD David Kramer http://thekramers.net > > > > > > Well luser, newbie or just plain stupid, why don't the admins here block > > > his IP till he gets a clue? > > > > > > Just my .02 > > > > > > Beech > > > > I have emailed the freebsd postmaster/list administrator about this > > problem. The ball is in their court. > > > > As pointed out before, the problem is exacerbated by the unusual > > scenario of 1) not requiring membership to post and 2) not blocking > > file attachments by default. > > > > > > Phil > > I rather think the presumption is that if your are smart enough to subscribe > to freebsd-questions, you're smart enough to employ some local method to deal > with spam. :-) Actually you are making some incorrect assumptions, ie that everyone is receiving individual messages, not digests. (I almost always subscribe to list digests rather than individual messages) When you receive digests, you can't block individual messages. The list messages themselves come from a 'trusted' site. You can't use RBL-type systems on them for that reason. You can't test message headers. You can't block specific attachments. You can't use MUA- side filtering because the digests are monolithic. Bottom line is, when the digests are 95% spam, there is no other choice but to have to wade through the crap to find something useful. (then there is the case of people in various parts of the world who pay by the byte to download this stuff) It's time to stop blaming the victim. I DO NOT have this problem with other lists I'm on, and several others have pointed out the same thing. I understand there may be limited human or hardware resources, but several people have indicated they are willing to contribute in that respect. We are not all just sitting here complaining and not offering to help. (I will reiterate the suggestions people have made that those who wish to contribute in this regard contact the appropriate parties directly. I have done that.) -- Philip J. Koenig pjklist@ekahuna.com Electric Kahuna Systems -- Computers & Communications for the New Millenium To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message