From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Sep 9 12: 5:52 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 856D637B400 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 12:05:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from proxy.centtech.com (moat.centtech.com [206.196.95.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5D0A43E3B for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 12:05:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Received: from sprint.centtech.com (sprint.centtech.com [10.177.173.31]) by proxy.centtech.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g89J5fY17971; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 14:05:41 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by sprint.centtech.com (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) id g89J5fM01476; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 14:05:41 -0500 (CDT) Received: from centtech.com (electron [204.177.173.173]) by sprint.centtech.com (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g89J5bo01469; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 14:05:37 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3D7CF0AB.3000709@centtech.com> Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 14:04:11 -0500 From: Eric Anderson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i386; en-US; rv:1.0rc2) Gecko/20020513 Netscape/7.0b1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Neal E. Westfall" Cc: Lawrence Sica , Terry Lambert , Joshua Lee , dave@jetcafe.org, chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why did evolution fail? References: <20020909115456.M9219-100000@Tolstoy.home.lan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Neal E. Westfall wrote: >> >>What?? I've tried to ignore most of this thread, but this is hilarious.. >> >>Nothing is random.. >> >>Why is it that some who have strong religious beliefs often say that >>anything that is not explainable or understandable in THEIR eyes, must >>be a God's work? Instead of possibly learning what others have learned, >>they assume they "know all" and leave it in their religions hands to answer. > > > Your argument is a double-edged sword. Evolutionists do the very thing > you accuse religious people of, except instead of God, they call it > "chance". I would like for just one person to explain exactly what > "chance" is. But it's even worse than this, because unlike God, chance > cannot account for rationality, science, logic, and all the rest. I didn't say anything about chance.. It isn't chance, it is science. A slow mouse usually gets eaten by the cat before the fast mouse, the fast mouse continues to live and procreate, and makes more mice like it (it is fast, so its offspring could also be fast). Etc, and so on. It's just like anything else - companies, software, employees, etc. Some of these are bad examples, but you see what I am saying. I'm willing to accept that I may not know every reason for every action, and therefore I won't simply toss it off on religion to explain it to me. Be careful who you take as "Evolutionists" and act like they know what is going on. Some do, some don't. "Origin of Species" will definitely clear things up, but so will a little simple minded logic. Anyway, it's an interesting thing to think about, and of course, no one will convince anyone the Earth is round if they all believe it is flat, right? Eric To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message