From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 19 20:51:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from evil.2y.net (ztown1-2-190.adsl.one.net [216.23.20.190]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D15AD37BAA4; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 20:51:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cokane@evil.2y.net) Received: (from cokane@localhost) by evil.2y.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA05383; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 23:58:58 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from cokane) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 23:58:58 -0400 From: Coleman Kane To: John Baldwin Cc: Coleman Kane , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, Parag Patel , Mike Smith Subject: Re: freebsd bios. Message-ID: <20000619235858.B5356@cokane.yi.org> References: <20000618215012.C26249@cokane.yi.org> <200006200327.UAA02379@john.baldwin.cx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <200006200327.UAA02379@john.baldwin.cx>; from jhb@FreeBSD.ORG on Mon, Jun 19, 2000 at 11:27:32PM -0400 X-Vim: vim:tw=70:ts=4:sw=4 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I never said it would be easy, I simply was stating that the reference designs tend to stick to documented specifications, typically. Of course, writing a BIOS is hard enough. John Baldwin had the audacity to say: > On 19-Jun-00 Coleman Kane wrote: > > If you start out with a board based on a reference design, say the Intel > > SE440BX, you already have access to all this info. Most chipset vendors have > > info on this sort of thing up on their webpage, I know intel is really good > > about this sort of thing (though I am not so sure about the 810/815/820/840 > > chipsets). > > Not the chipset, all the hardware like the PIC's, the RTC, the CPU fan, > the keyboard controller, etc. etc. ad nauseum. Go back earlier in the > thread and read some of the AML Mike posted that has to be done just to > turn the CPU fan on. > > > Mike Smith had the audacity to say: > >> > >> > On Sat, 17 Jun 2000 07:35:51 +0900, "Daniel C. Sobral" wrote: > >> > > > >> > >Loader(8) runs using BIOS services, and loads the kernel from any drive > >> > >that BIOS recognizes. It has also been enhanced with PXE knowledge, so > >> > >he can load from that to. > >> > > >> > My mistake, as Ron pointed out, since loader uses the BIOS services, it > >> > can't run when there is no BIOS. Now if someone writes a loader that > >> > doesn't use a BIOS... > >> > >> You could easily do this, just as soon as you find a motherboard vendor > >> that will tell you how to initialise all their hardware. > > -- > > John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ > PGP Key: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/pgpkey.asc > "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ > -- Coleman Kane President, UC Free O.S. Users Group - http://pohl.ececs.uc.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message