From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 6 17:08:07 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50C3F16A4CE for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2004 17:08:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from gabby.gsicomp.on.ca (CPE00062566c7bb-CM000039c69a66.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [24.192.222.167]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA55C43D45 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2004 17:08:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from matt@gsicomp.on.ca) Received: from hermes (hermes.gsicomp.on.ca [192.168.0.18]) by gabby.gsicomp.on.ca (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with SMTP id i0718L8P020388; Tue, 6 Jan 2004 20:08:22 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from matt@gsicomp.on.ca) Message-ID: <00bd01c3d4ba$45367bf0$1200a8c0@gsicomp.on.ca> From: "Matt Emmerton" To: "Mark Linimon" , "Colin Percival" References: <6.0.1.1.1.20040106204233.04436d28@imap.sfu.ca> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 20:04:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Where is FreeBSD going? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 01:08:07 -0000 > At 20:31 06/01/2004, Mark Linimon wrote: > >There are hundreds of PRs still to be processed that do have > >patches -- in fact, on most days the backlog is getting bigger, > >not smaller. > > Speaking of which... if there's one thing which could be done > to improve committer / non-committer relations, it would be to > *do* something with all those PRs. > The ports team is pretty good -- my maintainer updates have > always been committed fairly quickly -- but I've never had a > src patch committed without badgering committer(s) about my PRs. > > Don't misunderstand me; I think the project is heading in the > right direction, and committers are doing a great job. But I > think the contributions of non-committers could make FreeBSD > even better, and those contributions are being largely lost or > ignored. Exactly. I've filed PRs that have languished for months, and then after picking some random person from -current or -stable, the patches in the PR get committed within a week. I'd imagine that there's a lot of PRs that get dropped because they sit for 6+ months and then the submitter can't be found or cannot reproduce the situation. I think the problem is that too many commiters are focused on their own corner of the project, and there's nobody left to handle all the "general" sort of PRs. -- Matt Emmerton