From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 13 22: 4:57 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D9B337B401 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 22:04:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from volatile.chemikals.org (cae57-176-131.sc.rr.com [66.57.176.131]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AD1143E88 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 22:04:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from morganw@chemikals.org) Received: from localhost (morganw@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by volatile.chemikals.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id g9E54pTe092997; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 01:04:51 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from morganw@chemikals.org) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 01:04:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Wesley Morgan To: Kris Kennaway Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: X problems & 5.0... -RELEASE? In-Reply-To: <20021014041422.GA31437@xor.obsecurity.org> Message-ID: <20021014005505.J92271-100000@volatile.chemikals.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 13 Oct 2002, Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Sun, Oct 13, 2002 at 11:28:51PM -0400, Wesley Morgan wrote: > > > I know there is some work being done on the recent signal changes to fix > > some things, but are we sure this is the problem? I would hate to see > > release schedules pushed back because these problems are lost in the > > noise, and I can't see a release being made that has a known unstable X. > > I thought this was believed to be a bug in X that was exposed by > kernel changes. The Type1/bezier problems supposedly are, but as for the rest... I don't know. That's what my concern is -- if we uncovered a bug, even though its "an X problem", the OS will still be blamed. Could the X server be doing something so absolutely completely braindamaged that these new-fangled signal things cause it to simply quit working? Surely an X bug of this magnitude would not be so localized and would have turned up on other platforms and even 4.x. I have a lot of faith in the RE team, and faith in 5.0 being a great new branch... It has some features that are a MUST for desktops and laptops -- firewire, acpi, cardbus, to name a few -- but a stable X is also a must. We don't want to become like Apache 2 ;) -- Hi! I'm a .signature virus! Copy me into your ~/.signature to help me spread! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message