From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 29 04:05:09 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 266001065674 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 04:05:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from w3.lemis.com (w3.lemis.com [208.86.224.149]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE17D8FC0A for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 04:05:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dereel.lemis.com (1032.x.rootbsd.net [208.86.224.149]) by w3.lemis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2719A3B982; Tue, 29 May 2012 04:05:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by dereel.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EB534DACA3; Tue, 29 May 2012 14:04:59 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 14:04:59 +1000 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: doug@safeport.com Message-ID: <20120529040459.GA81535@dereel.lemis.com> References: <201205252012.07799.lumiwa@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="9amGYk9869ThD9tj" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-3-5346-1370 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: why I am upset X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 04:05:09 -0000 --9amGYk9869ThD9tj Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Saturday, 22 January 2005 at 9:53:53 +0000, doug@safeport.com wrote: > On Sun, 27 May 2012, Warren Block wrote: > >> There can be a tremendous investment of time in using software, whether >> "free" or not. Money too, often. >> >> Those who work to write, port, and support free software also spend a >> tremendous amount of time in doing that. Money too, often. >> >> So both parties have a large investment, and it's easy but counterproduc= tive >> to get emotional about it. Take a deep breath, be polite, and try to >> appreciate the other guy's problems. Otherwise it just ends up creating= more >> problems, and there are already enough. > > Warren makes a great point. In years past Greg Lehey used to post, > "How to ask a question", or something similar. "How to get best results from FreeBSD questions". > Its worth resurrecting that. It's still there in the FreeBSD web site: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/freebsd-questions/ If people are getting upset, maybe it's worth reading it again. > As I recall, the major points were: Nobody here is getting paid to > do this; there are a great number of people with a wealth of > information willing to help; and, its up to the one asking the > question to do it in such a way as to peak someones interest. Yes, that's a good paraphrase. FWIW I think that Mitja has a point, even if in his frustration he put it badly. It's a pity that nobody here tried to get him to calm down and say what went wrong or enter a PR. While it's true that we're all volunteers, that doesn't mean we shouldn't be proud of our product and want to fix it if things go wrong. Greg --=20 Sent from my desktop computer Finger grog@FreeBSD.org for PGP public key. See complete headers for address and phone numbers. This message is digitally signed. If your Microsoft MUA reports problems, please read http://tinyurl.com/broken-mua --9amGYk9869ThD9tj Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk/ESuoACgkQIubykFB6QiOK7wCfTdi2aUYDMB/AaTCzXK3qgsNJ H20AoLKbRm3UMyevlr6VXl5bQI1HHY6G =tmAr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --9amGYk9869ThD9tj--