From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 20:43:24 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9C861065674 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 20:43:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gesbbb@yahoo.com) Received: from smtp101.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (smtp101.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [76.13.13.40]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 686FF8FC25 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 20:43:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gesbbb@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 20825 invoked from network); 28 May 2009 20:43:22 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:Reply-To:Organization:X-Mailer:Face:X-Face:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=OldJ/7eLeoxXOsfGG/qSnbmpVHFfWu/Ujyu7vYwSCOWJjzHlNgRTf48Wv/XJrJenMHFrU82C+snzvdxbOh6rtG0VuF1z9hLdp7WvhgejtJqJ98sUXIyx9KbX1rkX1CznzHvX7oYFnhcFyLLO6yYzXjkg0vofSgteK1LDZLKN900= ; Received: from c-76-23-177-172.hsd1.ny.comcast.net (gesbbb@76.23.177.172 with login) by smtp101.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 May 2009 13:43:21 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-SMTP: yeAAMgKswBATCul4lSbCWspvTA-- X-YMail-OSG: easK.tsVM1mVyOcD4DuwwrDJ.QW730pbOGTUlyN6nLD7I9BHDzo0lbomo3NqE1x1Mxfpj_53LvCzqR.e.EBNHIxselCNKRLdMlqscvbkEq3A.oh1zZfjGeMNv.M48aArND0nM8TUrn_M7NfPuNwBqJjgpOPHf55FJHlcGfVvSHGqpbLrANgl4m2be1jQ4ePASGUBv01KhJ8VkrMNsE4SEcI5UjrrmlpCFR2xNlGQ7SvnO9cQbCogFltuXe2sLCWT.kwU.hkiDZi7c8Jbip8w2NXRlkbgcRCcXrhe05vMNomPVb7p1oXVZQ22Oo1frDkTENL4IU2f5fbkqGmLeMpacolgXLg7r1d0twyf X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 16:43:10 -0400 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090528164310.70f30aae@scorpio> In-Reply-To: References: <20061208042111.GA709@host.my.domain> <23685866.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090524104618.0a62a935@scorpio> <23711563.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090525154816.3cee4b9a@scorpio> <20090526144939.d21275c2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090527133706.1a6e4612@scorpio> <20090528111158.aee9a44d.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090528180334.935932be.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.1 (GTK+ 2.16.1; i386-portbld-freebsd6.4) Face: 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 X-Face: "\j?x](l|]4p?-1Bf@!wN<&p=$.}^k-HgL}cJKbQZ3r#Ar]\%U(#6}'?<3s7%(%(gxJxxcR nSNPNr*/^~StawWU9KDJ-CT0k$f#@t2^K&BS_f|?ZV/.7Q Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/LWtwr_35xLQMYI8sMZuQvmk"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Subject: Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 20:43:25 -0000 --Sig_/LWtwr_35xLQMYI8sMZuQvmk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 28 May 2009 21:12:43 +0200 (CEST) Wojciech Puchar wrote: >>> The problem is that most buyers are more happy when they get "added >>> value" "for free" like tons of CD's >> >> Even if they never use it. > >but they HAVE. You probably observed already that lots of people buy=20 >things to HAVE them. You are right. That is an incredibly stupid statement. While a user may buy a product that contains additional software that they do not require, they are never-the-less buying a product that they want. You statement, "buy=20 things to HAVE them" makes no sense. Of course they buy something because they want it. Do you buy products that you do not want? And yes, I buy things to have them. Why else would I buy them? >>> Manufacturers do what market required, no matter how dumb it is. >>> Those who didn't already failed. >> >> "The worst solution always prevails" and "People want crap, >> they get crap" seem to have established as laws of the market. > >Not all people, but most. The problem is that there are less and less >people that do not want a crap. Basic law of marketing is to give the public what they want. Any first year business student knows that. The statement that "The worst solution always prevails" is totally bogus. Furthermore, your statement, The problem is that there are less and less people that do not want a crap." would appear to go counter to what you have been bantering about. Do you actually "THINK" before you write or are you implying that most people would like to be constipated? >Low enough that making products for them isn't a business. > >>> As windows user may get scared hearing the word "unix", [...] Yes, vary similar to how unix users feel about "plug & play". >> No no, UNIX doesn't exist, and it's outdated anyway, just like >> mainframes. :-) > >oh yes i forgot. > >>> i just run lpr to print postscript file, or print directly from >>> programs through lpr >> >> I'm happy to keep on doing so now, too. :-) > >99.999% basic things that user needs is already invented on unix for >even 20 or more years. > >Now we have more and more "new technologies" that reinvent it most >more inefficient and overcomplex way. > >Even more - complexity is always marketed as adventage. > >> That's intended by the marked (because users intend so). Buying >> new printers all day long is normal, so you always have a "top >> of the line" printer. :-) Actually, when it costs me $49. to re-ink a cheap printer and only $39. to buy a new one, is is almost easier to simply swap the old one out,=20 then give it away as a donation and take the tax credit. I have actually done that by the way. >that will break down within at most 2 years. Actually, I have an old Canon bubble jet 6000 that still works although it is on its last legs and probably ten years old.. In any case, with most simple printers being dirt cheap, why should I care it they last twenty years or not. Now, buying a $3000 color laser jet is a totally different matter. --=20 Jerry gesbbb@yahoo.com Prisons are built with stones of Law, brothels with bricks of Religion. 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