From owner-freebsd-jail@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 27 05:02:04 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-jail@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A04162CB for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2015 05:02:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx1.scaleengine.net (beauharnois2.bhs1.scaleengine.net [142.4.218.15]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FB01C3B for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2015 05:02:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (Seawolf.HML3.ScaleEngine.net [209.51.186.28]) (Authenticated sender: allanjude.freebsd@scaleengine.com) by mx1.scaleengine.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7D95E8FC98 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2015 05:01:55 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <54C71BC9.5010103@freebsd.org> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 00:02:01 -0500 From: Allan Jude User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-jail@freebsd.org Subject: Re: preferred jail management tool References: <20150127012347.GA4940@lonesome.com> <20150127141239.V77290@sola.nimnet.asn.au> In-Reply-To: <20150127141239.V77290@sola.nimnet.asn.au> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="q0jmlKAOpBBvhTkbTO9JequHDCIP0T4vQ" X-BeenThere: freebsd-jail@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion about FreeBSD jail\(8\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 05:02:04 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --q0jmlKAOpBBvhTkbTO9JequHDCIP0T4vQ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2015-01-26 22:46, Ian Smith wrote: > On Mon, 26 Jan 2015 19:23:48 -0600, Mark Linimon wrote: > [Sean Chittenden wrote:] > > > > For years I've used and endorsed ezjail, but as stated, it is de= preciated. > >=20 > > Hmm, there's no notation at > > http://portsmon.freebsd.org/portoverview.py?category=3Dsysutils&port= name=3Dezjail , > > nor in the Makefile AFAICT. > >=20 > > > > For a book, excluding ezjail would exclude a huge portion of the= user base > > > > and seems like it would hurt credibility given its dominance as = the > > > > preferred tool for jail administration. >=20 > I agree with this; given its history and installed base it certainly=20 > deserves some coverage with at least references to its documentation, a= s=20 > a precursor to more recently emerging, likely more comprehensive tools.= >=20 > > On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 12:54:50PM -0500, Alejandro Imass wrote: > > > Maybe is something obvious to the more technical crowd but as a us= er what > > > does "depreciated" mean in this context? > >=20 > > Really the word most people use is "deprecated" rather than "depreci= ated". > >=20 > > It can mean any number of things: > >=20 > > - it no longer works due to changes in other software > > - it has been replaced by something else > > - the author is no longer interested in maintaining it > >=20 > > and so forth. > >=20 > > I don't know the answer in this case. >=20 > As Alejandro went on to point out, depreciate means (ref Concise Oxford= )=20 > 'Diminish in value' or 'Lower market price of; reduce purchasing power = > of (money); disparage, belittle' (L. pretiare f. pretium price), while = > deprecate means 'Plead against; express wish against or disapproval of = > (L. precari pray). Different, with some overlap regarding belittlement= =2E >=20 > The former term is prominent in Joe's http://jail-primer.sourceforge.ne= t/ >=20 > cheers, Ian > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-jail@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-jail > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-jail-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"= >=20 Ezjail still works perfectly fine. It is moderately actively maintained, it works very well with ZFS. The value of having a single basejail, rather than multiple is slightly diminished by the fact that we all have more disk space than we used to, and the fact that ZFS could clone a common dataset to save some space, but, when it comes time to upgrade the common basejail is useful. The process can be a bit awkward at times, but it generally works fine. I still use ezjail a lot, and have no problems with it. --=20 Allan Jude --q0jmlKAOpBBvhTkbTO9JequHDCIP0T4vQ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (MingW32) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJUxxvMAAoJEJrBFpNRJZKf580QAKtOwZ/K9yLwTIhUeTcUMvGV vhEP/ndPQK0KAd1sfdeC6wMdSjgzp03hF8M0PCJmhf1aTbOrXioQmc1RGEVPi+Zt sYenSobqH/A11KEyaqXPwdF+LNLIQGZVtZ3cAKfAExCPecPwlS/FQxU/MLbl+bkQ 2AIvm5wKRy1HRwkmGmn+72kmx/rmna9eUlHstv+NXIMpqdod5JmhvrSBU2jl7K4F 85kDPFgyCZe+V9IYCk/9fu0u02WK1/AGZo7xlx/FNM5XNXKctHcl21C7NhhTqDW6 9DF23FA73NdUeQ8eozIacVrsWVmtoUeYc9jS8mw6XpXDJ1gWkmK3MRPwuzlDN7CK 5t0Te7kQVzAuZTHVHEbceH1tbZ2OeBDrDPo5V/66I3Y8W51er1e/CPBQVZkewh6h WYghLIqLuGo8dBPy2C5TfP4/RdlNj9Tue7N+iqhFGUFIcPwb+2XO9i9eIQBjhhSC FWLteA/S49irZiZ8CvBuuNdOZKKIt77EWTKR/267UudW72nbYZioQ0+LHGGnuESe JXzz9Zi5IOYEMSSOtw+6L1U5niSVTHR3TcrInvyNkKH3E5NoCvNA061g157Jw0CO VjSyJ3GzlpcOt8JY6VhmGzZxuwTEkJf0ZahlzSCUPzcOlVxAZRK3NaStlM6h8hMW Qn7cR/6sfLUKtJZbSZsV =d8ho -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --q0jmlKAOpBBvhTkbTO9JequHDCIP0T4vQ--