From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 4 23:29:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8E6B16A41F for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 23:29:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from peterclutton@gmail.com) Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.204]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6277843D45 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 23:29:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from peterclutton@gmail.com) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s17so704180wxc for ; Fri, 04 Nov 2005 15:29:37 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=deAVUJAeSaQHzi/yZD9aTpci5YUy6ZSJlHp7JHmjulkoqFOlYYiyeoh6KrrlFZkA9iUejs2qM58E3HC3SBy4OzpsmsxIKh98Ye6wszx5Qlm6IYJugz6WEOTDCzSv11IT9VF+CujsqMlCAc5lVJs754eWbyaKhbtKfQ9zyGhoSRU= Received: by 10.70.27.8 with SMTP id a8mr1249807wxa; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 14:56:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.91.17 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 14:56:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <57416b300511031456n729ce488x743055023826ab70@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 09:56:37 +1100 From: Peter Clutton To: Alex Zbyslaw In-Reply-To: <436A1EBA.2030209@dial.pipex.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051102061528.GC1349@wantadilla.lemis.com> <57416b300511022110lae0d75ar248f2c8036967f50@mail.gmail.com> <436A1EBA.2030209@dial.pipex.com> Cc: Free BSD Questions list Subject: Re: New Logo X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 23:29:39 -0000 On 11/4/05, Alex Zbyslaw wrote: > Peter Clutton wrote: > > >>Ted wrote: > >> > >>Your opinion, they probably wouldn't agree. If you decide Beastie isn'= t > >>important enough to bother defending, that's your choice. Of course I > >>will note that you had no problem getting the attention for your books > >>by using Beastie images on their covers. > >> > >> > >[...] > > > >And if you're referring using the beastie on his book The Complete > >FreeBSD, I hardly think it was responsible for it's success. Might > >have something to do with being one of the best books on FreeBSD > >sysadmin out there at the moment. Can't comment on his other books, > >haven't read them. > > > > > Indeed, I expect the book was successful because it got good > word-of-mouth reviews, though I also expect that anyone still buying > things from a bookshop would have instantly recognised it as a FreeBSD > book thanks precisely to Beastie on the cover. If Beastie is on the > spine as well, then it makes it easy to pick out from your bookshelf. While I have no disagreement with what you've said, and while i personally like the beastie, and the new design, I have to push the point that no, it wasn't the beastie that let me know it was about FreeBSD, it was, well, the very large letters that say FreeBSD on the cover and spine! I would have had to have been walking around with a large magnifying glass to spot the beasties from afar on that book, they are tiny. Anyway, it isn't really the point, (it was about personal attacks not being necessary), and your opinion of this way of doing things not discouraging argument has merit.