From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 19 15:10:42 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 09543E7 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2014 15:10:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9E8DD32E for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2014 15:10:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ox-dell39.ox.adestra.com (no-reverse-dns.metronet-uk.com [85.199.232.226] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.8/8.14.8) with ESMTP id s2JFARPF064186 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2014 15:10:35 GMT (envelope-from matthew@freebsd.org) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.8.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk s2JFARPF064186 Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/s2JFARPF064186; dkim=none reason="no signature"; dkim-adsp=none X-Authentication-Warning: lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk: Host no-reverse-dns.metronet-uk.com [85.199.232.226] (may be forged) claimed to be ox-dell39.ox.adestra.com Message-ID: <5329B35B.8040005@freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2014 15:10:19 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD is really great.. BUT.. References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="IAu584k26ItvPbgofmJUaUmoi588I8gtR" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98.1 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE, SPF_SOFTFAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2014 15:10:42 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --IAu584k26ItvPbgofmJUaUmoi588I8gtR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 03/19/14 10:34, Martin Braun wrote: > The binary packages on FreeBSD are compiled with so few options availab= le > that you end up compiling the whole bunch from source anyway! >=20 > A simple setup on a mailserver with Postfix, Dovecot, MySQL, and a coup= le > of other packages doesn't work using the binary packages because they a= re > NOT compiled to fit together! >=20 > Now.. what the "=C2=A4"%"#!"!=C2=A4 is the point then!? Why don't we ju= st forget > about binary packages in FreeBSD and make everyone compile? Because we're in a state of transition at the moment. We have not yet completely obsoleted the old pkg_tools (soon though...), so there are changes to the ports tree we cannot make just yet. pkg(8) itself is right now in the process of growing a much more sophisticated solver, which will mean much more intelligence about constructing dependency trees based on the capabilities and requirements of the available packages, rather than the RUN_DEPENDS settings pulled from the ports tree= =2E Yes, it's frustrating at the moment since we're in a half-way house between the old-style ports and the regime where binary packages basically 'just work' for the vast majority of users. (It's likely that there will always be people who want odd combinations of options who will be best advised to compile their own, but ideally they should be few and far between.) The best user experience at the moment seems to be for people building packages using poudriere (or similar) and running their own repo to distribute them. But that's just at the moment, and could well change pretty soon. 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