From owner-freebsd-current Sun Sep 27 18:04:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA22396 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 18:04:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA22351 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 18:04:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA06330; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 18:04:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199809280104.SAA06330@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Terry Lambert cc: street@iname.com (Kevin Street), freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Softupdates panics In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 27 Sep 1998 21:31:08 -0000." <199809272131.OAA29999@usr05.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 18:04:13 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG It was also posted on the list (several months ago) to disable or refuse, async or noatime with softupdates. Amancio > > Well, this certainly started an interesting series on noatime and SU. > > If I could just review the score so far, we have: > > > > 1 for "It's a Bad Thing" later retracted > > 2 for "I've never heard this and I do it, you must be thinking of async" > > 1 for "It's superstition, noatime and SU are fine" > > 2 for "It likely triggers an access change that exposes a SU bug" > > 1 for "It breaks your dependency graph into pieces" > > (perhaps I should count this as 2 for "Bad Thing") > > > > I think we need a decision from the referee. > > Well, feel free to ask Kirk. My claim that it's a bad thing came > from a discussion of noatime and Soft Updates with Kirk and Julian > in Julian's cube several months ago. > > > Terry Lambert > terry@lambert.org > --- > Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present > or previous employers. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message