From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 21:07:07 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F37BF106584A for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 21:07:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BAA88FC52 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 21:07:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-65-8.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.65.8]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id B47BF3D342; Thu, 28 May 2009 23:07:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n4SL6wV4011075; Thu, 28 May 2009 23:06:59 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 23:06:58 +0200 From: Polytropon To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20090528230658.55294c86.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20090528164310.70f30aae@scorpio> References: <20061208042111.GA709@host.my.domain> <23685866.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090524104618.0a62a935@scorpio> <23711563.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090525154816.3cee4b9a@scorpio> <20090526144939.d21275c2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090527133706.1a6e4612@scorpio> <20090528111158.aee9a44d.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090528180334.935932be.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090528164310.70f30aae@scorpio> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 21:07:07 -0000 On Thu, 28 May 2009 16:43:10 -0400, Jerry wrote: > You statement, "buy > things to HAVE them" makes no sense. I may politely disagree. I know several people who bought a new high-end PC and stuff for more than 3000 Euro and are treating it as a worse typewriter. Some stuff has never been used - it just sits on the table to make its ownler look wealthy and smart. > Of course they buy something > because they want it. In some cases, they want it in order to have it (or the intention to show it to others). > Do you buy products that you do not want? If I needed the product... okay, that can be seen as wanting, too. For example, I didn't want to buy a HP Laserjet 4000 duplex, but requirements made me need it - I was completely comfortable with the Laserjet 4. > And > yes, I buy things to have them. Why else would I buy them? The statement was like "ONLY to have them" (with the slight connotation of "have them, but not use them"). > Basic law of marketing is to give the public what they want. Any first > year business student knows that. And because many customers simply do not know what they need, and in conclusion do not know what they want, seem to want the same as the rich neighbor has - or "the same pictures like at work". > The statement that "The worst > solution always prevails" is totally bogus. Is it? I don't think so. USB, for example, was fine for things like keyboards and mice, but is used for nearly everything today - even in the times of USB 1 that was really slow and needed polling (instead of IRQ); inkjet printers, inferior in price and quality to laser printers; flat panel screens with strange color interpretation; the mouse with only two buttons; autodetection that does not work; CDs and DVDs not the size of a MD; "Windows", ... I could go on for hours. :-) It's just my personal observation that is confirmed nearly every day. > >Low enough that making products for them isn't a business. > > > >>> As windows user may get scared hearing the word "unix", [...] > > Yes, vary similar to how unix users feel about "plug & play". Personally, I don't have a problem with plug & play. All my hardware works that way: I plug it in, and it just works. This has nothing to do with "Windows" - I have it in UNIX all day long. :-) Furthermore, UNIX doesn't exist in the "Windows" zone. > Actually, when it costs me $49. to re-ink a cheap printer and only $39. > to buy a new one, is is almost easier to simply swap the old one out, > then give it away as a donation and take the tax credit. I have actually > done that by the way. For example, I'd accept inkjet printers only with full cartridges. If empty, I'd throw it away. :-) No, seriously: I don't own an inkjet printer and never have, and I think I never will, instead save some money for a color laser printer, but actually, I don't need to print in color. I have a neighbor who does this kindfully for me (but I never used that service). > Actually, I have an old Canon bubble jet 6000 that still works although > it is on its last legs and probably ten years old. That's the good thing with older hardware: It seems to last longer than "modern" stuff. As I said, I own a Laserjet 4 for more than 12 years now and always heavily used it. My keyboard is even older, nearly 20 years old. Let's see how much "modern" stuff from today will still work in 2030. :-) > In any case, with > most simple printers being dirt cheap, why should I care it they last > twenty years or not. Throw-away society. > Now, buying a $3000 color laser jet is a totally > different matter. Yes, definitely not my price class at the moment. -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...