From owner-freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 4 12:30:33 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-security@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4788F14A; Fri, 4 Jul 2014 12:30:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206c::16:87]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 21CE82530; Fri, 4 Jul 2014 12:30:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from janderson.engr.mun.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.8/8.14.8) with ESMTP id s64CUUl3095493; Fri, 4 Jul 2014 12:30:32 GMT (envelope-from jonathan@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: <53B69E65.7020507@FreeBSD.org> Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2014 10:00:29 -0230 From: Jonathan Anderson User-Agent: Postbox 3.0.11 (Macintosh/20140602) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dan Lukes , d@delphij.net, freebsd-security@freebsd.org, gecko@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RFC: Proposal: Install a /etc/ssl/cert.pem by default? References: <53B499B1.4090003@delphij.net> <53B4A337.3010907@obluda.cz> <53B4BFD2.2060903@obluda.cz> <53B499B1.4090003@delphij.net> <53B4A337.3010907@obluda.cz> <20140704024451.GU45513@funkthat.com> In-Reply-To: <20140704024451.GU45513@funkthat.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-security@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: "Security issues \[members-only posting\]" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2014 12:30:33 -0000 John-Mark Gurney wrote: > Dan Lukes wrote this message on Thu, Jul 03, 2014 at 02:26 +0200: >> If I consider a CA to be trustworthy, I will insert it's certificate to >> trusted store. No one is welcomed to make such decision in behalf of me. > > As others have said, you can customize FreeBSD how you want.. There > is no, we will uninstall FreeBSD if you uninstall (or set WITHOUT_xxx) > on your FreeBSD system... So we agree that customization is required, the question is what a user has to do to effect this customization: 1. install a package (possibly included on the install media), or 2. set WITHOUT_MOZILLA_CA_BUNDLE and rebuild FreeBSD. To me, the approach that doesn't require "rebuild FreeBSD" is the simpler one. It also doesn't require a Security Advisory every time a CA gets dropped from Mozilla's bundle (which ought to happen a lot). Ports get updated, people get that. I don't think we should introduce things in the base system that we *know* will require SAs, freebsd-update, etc. Jon -- Jonathan Anderson jonathan@FreeBSD.org