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FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="RPTcJGmajTOqSaZmP6enTHlj9jSYLJ44n" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Lth75Wxsz41Zb X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=suszko.eu header.s=dkim header.b=psNM476A; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=suszko.eu; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of maciej@suszko.eu designates 91.121.220.22 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=maciej@suszko.eu X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.02 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[suszko.eu:s=dkim]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:91.121.220.22]; IP_SCORE(0.08)[ipnet: 91.121.0.0/16(-1.61), asn: 16276(1.99), country: FR(-0.00)]; HAS_ATTACHMENT(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,multipart/mixed,text/plain]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[suszko.eu:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[suszko.eu,none]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[38.198.72.89.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.11]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:+,3:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16276, ipnet:91.121.0.0/16, country:FR]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 10:04:41 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --RPTcJGmajTOqSaZmP6enTHlj9jSYLJ44n Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="K4SVSBbdbU1D38phlaF0bQXWH7HKI6w66" --K4SVSBbdbU1D38phlaF0bQXWH7HKI6w66 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 5/8/20 10:46 PM, Tomasz CEDRO wrote: [ c u t ] > Maybe if software vendors cared more about open standards, testing and > support for Open-Source platforms, instead "works for me buy my stuff" = or > "time to market test on users or forget" shortcuts, we would not have s= uch > problems like the videoconferencing just showed up two days ago. >=20 > I guess there may be a positive outcome if there is a strong demand and= > push from Open-Source community. We can make things work with a bit of > support and good will from vendor. We all know how it works but I send = good > wishes so it happens :-) I do not insist using Open Source or open standards everywhere, I'm not idealist. The problem with Microsoft is they tell everyone you can you their services over the web, which is not true... I pay for the service but can't use it - that's sick. I would understand if desktop application would be the only solution to use the service, but it's not. Why MacOS is supported and everything can work here? Same case with Netflix - I pay for the service, it's web-based but there is no DRM plugins for our environment, so you can't use it. If there would be an app and that would be the only way to use the service - it's fair. The question is why "all" the providers do not want to support FreeBSD, is it really such a nightmare to compile some source and give a binary to people? I'm sure this is the best community willing to help, but I'm also sure there is plenty of Linuxism in our world and it can be the problem.... Maybe we need to have some sort of developer toolkit for software providers, to make their life easier building stuff for FreeBSD.= --=20 regards, Maciej Suszko. --K4SVSBbdbU1D38phlaF0bQXWH7HKI6w66-- --RPTcJGmajTOqSaZmP6enTHlj9jSYLJ44n Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEIoJrn47KEjxeB5CF95cXLotfKhkFAl66dKsACgkQ95cXLotf KhmGZwf/QGC/Hsx8Ko/qbfCaSgu7uLAu4ebC+Ptlib23W8SGM6e+pK7e8o/SQyVD r904EMmnQQHfFdd4yJdY12nm3WXCrLsl4yct3cfUjWC6qHvj9DhDY9HgVc8W5rl0 pTM190tHKe41aZrHq0jEjWfT0geZAuCMHzHwgDfSlyKXPIpuBDvHmEcBtoTjui5e 6er4p6Cwc+VFYxzNUbti2ujo5b1pDy6rU+q4i8MvdR3QVpBYmB12BXR/UL98DFPV fxoM7BkzQngaS10jUXgYoQTFrMqhQ68a2XM6AMwsKxclALDr5+5E9uEaAYvMWqg1 uqNn1qsKjpdPrND7EM1XcrMiZBARCw== =A75H -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --RPTcJGmajTOqSaZmP6enTHlj9jSYLJ44n--