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From: Slawa Olhovchenkov <slw@zxy.spb.ru>
To: Garrett Cooper <yaneurabeya@gmail.com>
Cc: Benjamin Kaduk <kaduk@MIT.EDU>, Marcel Moolenaar <marcel@xcllnt.net>,
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Subject: Re: r286615: /usr/libexec/ftpd broken!
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On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 09:01:27AM -0700, Garrett Cooper wrote:

> 
> > On Aug 18, 2015, at 08:57, Slawa Olhovchenkov <slw@zxy.spb.ru> wrote:
> > 
> > On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 11:38:47AM -0400, Benjamin Kaduk wrote:
> > 
> >> On Tue, 18 Aug 2015, Marcel Moolenaar wrote:
> >> 
> >>>> On Aug 17, 2015, at 10:15 PM, O. Hartmann <ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de> wrote:
> >>>> 
> >>>> Port security/heimdal installs its own ftpd with its appropriate manpages.
> >>> 
> >>> Ugh :-(
> >> 
> >> I would argue that heimdal should not be in the business of supplying an
> >> ftpd.  Kerberos-enabled ftp basically does not offer any advantages over
> >> scp.
> > 
> > OPENSSH_NONE_CIPHER is OFF by default, i.e. ftp can give more speed.
> 
> More pragmatically, there are less ssh clients (openssh or bust
> really), whereas there are more ftp clients (Firefox, Chrome,
> ftp(1), python, etc).

In this context you must talk about kerberos-enabled ftp client.