From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jan 8 18:58:30 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C24BE7EC73 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2018 18:58:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.130]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E9A326D3F4 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2018 18:58:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.195.18.98]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue004 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0Lm8JB-1f7PHI2vVh-00ZhdA; Mon, 08 Jan 2018 19:58:21 +0100 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2018 19:58:21 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Matthias Apitz Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Meltdown =?UTF-8?B?4oCT?= Spectre Message-Id: <20180108195821.0195794b.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20180108085756.GA3001@c720-r314251> References: <3AECDC7F-8838-4C09-AC7F-117DFBAA326C@sigsegv.be> <20180108085756.GA3001@c720-r314251> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:1HbKDLqD8Xjw2XzTWHmt3XC3zZk+G9XaC64HmFOcP8amwdHe+Uj 8+K4EusrfmffLl8RvSy6UU00nxyA5vmWXMfUsQL0m41FSjdhC1+dOWefAUubmcnRht3NM3x bz/S+HX8ZA427bgetR2kI7mUJvKtnRXKSMyV9sFOupEZtn5ACSYfTbEnt9qeHsX02/mSKeP vkkTg4ieSjVHkfkRSwWhQ== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:gMxF1I+qfYU=:h1Ixyw1u9o7Kltp7mEe6WY j3pnY5QZdRktc/bBuZT/o6j0jC7oUbsz8Hla1Xt/sCkKFAR7te0YdriS5en7ZxqfDOCealSyM 02b4tXI1wW3df4laTQmo1z4tS4WxaTp+PhcXSsNkfX5Uapxqhq3aIRraN6Y6UAGOmkMGtq3VY hM/bmTZxJGZu9LAn8z7Ki9D1VVFIduBuBwD9DLouw1tMWHTBTZwUYPI2buE/UGiIuqDgG9F6U vOAS/G4e85kkxDol8yglxmAJT2zXsOzZT5lrqmgapRb/i9R0EG2Wk28JNs74gVa4RCm30PN1w 87ULk47GNIpRgKPYAGm+xydbnv3GqDi4t0bONkV0HWt4hLYHuNlnXVj+FsGkA6updPgH0k1Lj WkNYHeRa23p1cup0LBMnk0QKXavRd4YzVVaiHyOp28A04ixjeVAkcLvybzrInHYxK9l5WLaCk UuRiHqyIJUV88uk4zj0t6kuAfI5mWr4NgYP0nip+vSy8F8BL3dvHywqZp6o3DXUJk8mSR1UZc Jj1dPe1jxMBkivdK2pod15qxUNFOQ+qSri+aW6AZwQtjJMMDUROtwkhB2JHaXnh1gKRg+TDke fNIKgg9gfFSdH4ZG5wusubQt8wA5/O8xj6DGUyn+xOsFJxcaQYJQV8Hi7kva42ODsSUQSLgSz 5om1qlTD/UpdQlXeNRhZ425tWC58EOH2CEbBjrguPktilo1NmFkMTDTnifd6BKau6un57lLh9 U4aqKdgAHAb68ld38yKUDtdxmBmtohgGZ8y8SNzVI25GvqEwHfPq4Eyx05o= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2018 18:58:30 -0000 On Mon, 8 Jan 2018 09:57:56 +0100, Matthias Apitz wrote: > El día lunes, enero 08, 2018 a las 09:22:34a. m. +0100, Kristof Provost escribió: > > > They have been aware of the problem for 6+ months. FreeBSD was notified > > in late December. It’s being worked on, but these are non-trivial > > changes, so it’ll take some time. > > As I side note, and not related to FreeBSD: My Internet server is run by > some webhosting company (www.1blu.de), they use Ubuntu servers and since > yesterday they have shutdown SSH access to the servers argumenting that they want > protect my (all's) servers against attacks of Meltdown and Spectre. > > Imagine, next time we have to shutdown all IOT gadgets... Additionally, prepare for your bills to increase. The current mitigation concepts, as far as I understand, result in a lower performance (about 20 %) of the patched (!) systems. So when you heavily rely on cloud infrastructures, and you have the magical "[x] upgrade my plan if justified by increased load" enabled, well... When things start costing money, you know who'll always pay... ;-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...