From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 27 09:56:11 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2687716A4B3; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 09:56:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out001.verizon.net (out001pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.140]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E450343F85; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 09:56:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from mac.com ([68.237.14.199]) by out001.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.33 201-253-122-126-133-20030313) with ESMTP id <20030927165608.NEFW5382.out001.verizon.net@mac.com>; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 11:56:08 -0500 Message-ID: <3F75C127.3040409@mac.com> Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 12:56:07 -0400 From: Chuck Swiger Organization: The Courts of Chaos User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20030916 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg 'groggy' Lehey References: <20030926080458.8D277349379@sjtu.edu.cn> <20030926114849.GA70496@rot13.obsecurity.org> <20030926192638.GJ9910@localhost.Earthlink.net> <20030927021722.GF16008@wantadilla.lemis.com> In-Reply-To: <20030927021722.GF16008@wantadilla.lemis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out001.verizon.net from [68.237.14.199] at Sat, 27 Sep 2003 11:56:08 -0500 cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Message format *again* X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 16:56:11 -0000 Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: [ ... ] > I don't see anything in the standards that defines this format, so I > suppose the answer should be "yes". On a more practical basis, I > don't know of any UNIX-based MUA which treats this correctly, and none > of the messages I looked at it had this attribute. In addition, I > can't see how "format=flowed" can distinguish between computer output > (which should be quoted unchanged, possibly with very long lines) and > text, which RFC 2822 recommends to be 78 characters or less. It also > makes it almost impossible to quote. Netscape/Mozilla is the most common MUA which uses format=flowed. Mozilla certainly meets the "UNIX-based MUA" requirement, as it is available as a FreeBSD port. This message should be an example of that MIME content-type, and the raw ASCII representation should be fine for 80-column viewing. Quoting email written in format=flowed should also be okay, although not perfect, since Mozilla sometimes has a habit of prepending a space before a quoted line inconsistently, resulting in output like: -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: Mask IP:port with Domain Name Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 11:46:20 -0400 From: Chuck Swiger To: John DeStefano CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-id: <3EFC66CC.7030309@mac.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii John DeStefano wrote: > Chuck Swiger wrote: >> There's no way to avoid the port number in the URL, then. Consider >> switching to a provider that lets you host local services... > > Does that then nullify your previous recommendations? Nope. It just means that you can only get one of the two things you asked for. > Can you recommend any such providers? Of dynamic DNS? Yes: www.dyndns.org. > By hosting "local services", do you mean DNS? No, I meant being able to run Apache on port 80. You said you didn't want to see IP or port number; the former can be solved by dynamic DNS, the latter can't be solved if your ISP blocks port 80. [ ... ] ------------------------------ Mozilla tries to special-case the reformatting of quoted text to avoid breaking quotation levels, but it displays "> " and " > " the same-- as a single colored vertical bar so it's not possible for a user to notice the issue during composition. For a detailed review of various test cases, please consult: http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=199776 -- -Chuck