From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Apr 29 22:48:27 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06A7F2C54AA for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 22:48:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io1-xd29.google.com (mail-io1-xd29.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d29]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49CDFP6lglz3R1V for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 22:48:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by mail-io1-xd29.google.com with SMTP id i19so4060698ioh.12 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 15:48:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=FpcsG5ydiCd+y75FidihedshJ29Gcn1mzCI5JgdSZSI=; b=OODBTwlBT76HFHMdGbHlUkNKpMDLnhAzXudNOGVHv7gA3A1Nk5r/yTwW2VCjw0dwhP uKAB+7H9uBQuS6GqOqJn2Ws9auzJQWkJUzNDe5kAaFIfFuTXfiGX8AUPPAOSSIze7ykc IGeURY2/vPyTGDrIYIVLpz9kv8FlH6iIxmjFoq3OS9nM7aVNMq7vhyy6RKPQWwGVuPAw GZjsuINjRTafUhf6QpAq0ldksFZfFKWLUXs2H+PsuFEAMcTHBLjNvzh3izrntbs8FQEL ci2FIMYB6M7Fxa7XMN/BToXhVfkXcxJcL1i1xfraA9N2qXVlj/d4eUFZDx4PhFjTJdfS EC+Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=FpcsG5ydiCd+y75FidihedshJ29Gcn1mzCI5JgdSZSI=; b=P2PXwldUFKPCpv9SK2VEHToVN060P2ZOZGaAITrEL/4zzBlXiyiC9k//RvlrHpmBH9 2dNaZy940A2fKYCFI+SeRfGcok4BLvMAbbHXSbmdNhjiIT/JaGahHnu/TSzF/kWEqezT btfNVVOUeNdrQ0n8CkFOssvFgpsZkrojx+1vnVGSdMKYeq0yZvp1qNAZlfI1jKQbIvnw 9GEPHI6+UknygCKoHeQrWY8oBWQMkBNSdu0Q3lW+U4ZDkveNZM9PGPcNsU8jiwIQxb+W 4qCPAn6SGVKWKVA7defPFNrK7QVsX02C3fwC+SJQjigBs9Q7PMqpDCbXBy+CgKnUbjR0 L37w== X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0PuYsQEMO3ROQb9Qa2JxcVrM/t6PFop22AqhilGGnb2lyxB+hB+Qw Ta3iffwdudUtQsqKxBWCPyOkshHQaO67yTYXKFmMZ9Ey X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypJvwaT5jQ3fCVFBqce0A/71um4U6L1rRpIT1OGEFWqCR5CrHL6xY26bO4UPuIFh2VnFa81kKGq/rY94DLskCz0= X-Received: by 2002:a5d:8986:: with SMTP id m6mr471620iol.174.1588200504734; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 15:48:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <6222c6ca-4709-d800-2d3a-59913bd2cf2a@gmail.com> <20200425055723.00e6f974@archlinux> <20200425100348.3022f215@archlinux> <762afc18-324a-05ab-cf1b-68de2afea9ae@kicp.uchicago.edu> <20200428112734.5028df19@bigus.dream-tech.com> <20200429085247.72ebfa2a@archlinux> <20200429142649.af911873e65f8596153ced45@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: From: Aryeh Friedman Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 18:48:12 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Mailman's moderation checkbox?! - Why are so many FreeBSD haters on this list? (Troll bait) To: Jon Radel Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49CDFP6lglz3R1V X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=OODBTwlB; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of aryehfriedman@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::d29 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=aryehfriedman@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.00 / 15.00]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; URI_COUNT_ODD(1.00)[3]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; SUBJECT_HAS_EXCLAIM(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (-5.39), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-0.33), asn: 15169(-0.43), country: US(-0.05)]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_HAS_QUESTION(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[9.2.d.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 22:48:27 -0000 On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 11:51 AM Jon Radel wrote: > On 4/29/20 09:26, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > > On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 08:20:27 -0500 > > Valeri Galtsev wrote: > > > >> Alas, FreeBSD lists have this unbelievable tolerance to abusers since > >> forever, and they will not change - I learned that long ago. > > Most of us treat them the same as any other thread we're not > > interested in and ignore them (most of the time anyway). > > > Quite. I've paid enough attention to notice that the religious wars > seem to have moved on to heartfelt arguments about who is more worthy of > excommunication. I've been vaguely considering twiddling with my kill > file but that's such a bother in my MUA. > Only one side is arguing for excommunication the other side (so far) does not see the need to excommunicate anyone from the list (no laws have been broken by either side, yet). Mostly it boils down to some people are using a very selective/subjective filter on how they define what "troll" is and thus want to ban all those they don't agree with, the other side of the debate sees no need to ban anyone. > The things people do to amuse themselves during lock-downs. > Not like we don't work yet (I worked from home before the anyone had heard of Covid) ;-) -- Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org