From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 19 09:43:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7244616A41F for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 09:43:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.web-strider.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6B8443D49 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 09:43:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id jAJ9kCb52750; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 01:46:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC" Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 01:43:11 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Cc: David Kelly , FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Status of 6.0 for production systems X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 09:43:17 -0000 >-----Original Message----- >From: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC [mailto:chad@shire.net] >Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 10:33 AM >To: Ted Mittelstaedt >Cc: David Kelly; FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org >Subject: Re: Status of 6.0 for production systems > > > >On Nov 17, 2005, at 6:01 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > >> >> The plan is to come out with new gear every few years so as to extract >> money from >> the customer base. As I already said in my first post, lots of people >> are like you - >> perfectly happy NOT buying the latest Apple product. Apple wants >> money >> from them - >> so Apple has to shake things up. > >Those same people will continue to use their older Apple HW. No need >for them to be shook up. So then Apple is coming out with all that new hardware for nothing. Too bad for them then since according to you nobody will be buying it. You can't have it both ways. Either the Apple userbase will continue to use their older Apple hardware and not buy the new WintelApple gear - in which case this move to Intel chips will be a giant flop - or they will rush to the new gear and dump all their old gear, thus causing untold millions of bucks to flow into the Apple coffers. I think Apple knows it's userbase and they know that if they simply kept going with the same Power PC architecture that there would not be a compelling enough reason for the userbase to pay money for new hardware. Since the goal is to get money, they needed to do something that would cause real differentiation with the new product. Changing the CPU is definitely that. Now, with MacOS X86, Apple can put real marketing pressure on the laggarts in it's customer base to upgrade. And they will, and Apple will get a pile of money for doing it. > You make claims but have nothing more than >your opinion to support it. Naturally, since Apple isn't going to tell the real truth - which is they want to extract a pile of money from you - their customer. You keep talking like the laptop market is paramount - but who says it is? Laptops are always more expensive, and much more fragile. Do you honestly think that laptops make up the bulk of Apple's sales today? When you can get a G4 minimac for under $500? > Logic doesn't even support it. > No, in this case there's real logic behind it. It is rather unflattering to the typical Apple consumer of course - nobody wants to admit that they are being manipulated, obviously - but it is very logical. Much more so than the official line from Apple which basically is a statement that the Apple hardware designers aren't smart enough to design a laptop that will handle the G5 "Mommy, the chip is to hot, it hurts our hands, wahhh wahhhh wahhh" But on second thought, these are the designers that made a computer look like a table lamp, so maybe they really -aren't- smart enough to do it. Ted