From owner-freebsd-java Thu Aug 6 08:02:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA17586 for freebsd-java-outgoing; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 08:02:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from iglou.com (iglou2.iglou.com [192.107.41.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA17577 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 08:02:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from patrick@cre8tivegroup.com) Received: from [204.255.227.56] (helo=gateway.cre8tivegroup.com) by iglou.com with esmtp (8.9.1/8.9.1) id 0z4RYm-000050-00; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 11:02:33 -0400 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199808061453.IAA12276@mt.sri.com> Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 11:03:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Patrick Gardella To: Nate Williams Subject: Re: jdk1.1.6.V98-7-21.tar.gz Cc: java@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 06-Aug-98 Nate Williams wrote: >> >From the license I signed: >> Sun grants to Licensee the royalty-free right to distribute binary code >> developed and compiled from the Licensed Software in accordance with >> Subsection >> 1.1 above ("Derived Binaries"), provided that: (i) Derived Binaries are not >> integrated, bundled, combined or associated in any way with a product, (ii) >> there is no charge associated with such distribution, (iii) Derived Binaries >> are fully compatible with the then-current version of the publicly available >> test suite supplied by Sun which verifies Java compatibility ("JavaTest >> Suite") and must remain compatible with subsequent versions of the JavaTest >> Suites and upgraded Licensed Software, and (iv) Derived Binaries are >> distributed subject to a license agreement containing terms and conditions >> at least as protective of Sun as those included in the binary code license >> used by Sun for internet distribution of the Java binaries. In the event >> that Licensee desires that such distribution be fee-based, or be >> associated with a product, Licensee must execute a commercial license >> agreement with Sun. > > So far so good. Note the 'for internet distribution'. Ah. Fine print always gets you :) >> Are we considering the CD either (a) a product or (b) charging for it? > > It's a product for Walnut Creek. Matter of fact, the CD *is* the only > product from WC. I was considering a product to be a Java product that JDK was bundled with. If it's any product, then we can't distribute it, as you have said. >> I don't consider that we are doing either. If JDK can be place in a >> book, and the book can be charged for, why can't we distribute them? > > As a matter of fact, you can't in fact put the JDK on a CD and > distribute it with a book. Hum. I wonder if they have a commercial license, or if we can arrange with Sun to distribute it freely on the CD. I'll follow that up. >> And we've been distributing jdk102 on CD's for a while. I checked my >> 2.2.5-RELEASE CD's. > > Look again. The only thing in the package is the class files. The > actual JDK distribution isn't in there. I didn't open it. Haven't used 1.02 in a long time. >> On another matter. Since I was reading the source license, what about this >> clause: >> >> "Licensee shall not export, re-export or transfer, whether directly or >> indirectly, Licensed Software or Derived Binaries or direct products >> thereof, to any person or company who is a legal resident or is controlled >> by a legal resident of any proscribed country listed in the U.S. Export >> Administration Regulations (or any equivalent thereof) unless properly >> authorized by the U.S. Government." >> >> Are we "exporting" in a legal sense? > > That's a sticky matter best left up to lawyers. Due to a legal > precedence set by a lawyer in S.F., Walnut Creek's lawyers have deemed > it 'OK' to distribute some of the products deemed illegal by the export > laws, and to be honest I haven't cared much about it. > > Maybe I should???? Nah. If they scream, we'll take it off. Pat To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message