From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jul 23 15:34:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA17430 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 15:34:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from obie.softweyr.com ([204.68.178.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA17374; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 15:33:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from softweyr.com (zaphod.softweyr.com [204.68.178.35]) by obie.softweyr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA04767; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 16:32:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Message-ID: <35B7BA13.EF8A4ED2@softweyr.com> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 16:32:51 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr llc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Terry Lambert CC: Johann Visagie , chat@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Free software and politics (Forwarded from lucio@proxima.alt.za) References: <199807231732.KAA25434@usr04.primenet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Terry Lambert wrote: > > > The posting has resulted in a fairly lively thread, including the predictable > > flames (including one from a Microsoft employee) about "free" software having > > a higher cost of ownership, no support, no continuity, etc. etc. > > I would actually be interested in reading this -- is it archived on > the net somewhere (via hypermail or whatever)? I'd like to see it as well. I once wrote one of these, a comparison of the costs of installing my Security Toolkit/UNIX product vs. COPS for a largish network of UNIX servers and workstations. We came out on top, by far, but that was the whole point, wasn't it? It'd be interesting to hear what the Evil Empire has to say about cost of ownership of NT vs. FreeBSD/Linux/anything on the planet that doesn't crash daily. FreeBSD vs. NT anecdote: I was chatting with a friend at Intel here in town yesterday, and I asked him about the source code server I setup before I left. He said they've bought several more Perforce licenses since I left; they have some engineers from a site in California and one from Oregon using it over the intranet now. Other that installing the license file, they haven't touched it since I left. This is (amusingly enough) a K5-133 running 2.2.5 + a couple of security updates, and hasn't been rebooted since they changed its IP address on Jan 20. ;^) This machine originally ran NT Workstation 4.0, but was crashing and eating its disk drive, physically ruining the disk, about every 5 weeks. Since I installed FreeBSD on a new IDE drive, it has been rock-solid stable. The machine also runs Apache 1.1(something) with a few local HTML pages for testing against, and ftpd. So yes, Intel Corp. is an official FreeBSD user too. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message