From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 21 19:04:28 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85A5F5A8728 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 19:04:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yb1-xb33.google.com (mail-yb1-xb33.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::b33]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F3RrX011Pz3p3m for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 19:04:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by mail-yb1-xb33.google.com with SMTP id z1so4244720ybf.6 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 12:04:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=D8uHntqVtlZygTorKhb4QMm3jllgPdL1jcQ+u2j7gM0=; b=kDzrpFBuuQBn2xhoXa0/qF7bWiOZfokvMY/Ih1eyf9lEUkHqmQemjQ6kwEuALy/AhB yskaVOgQGMTKesGbMvBpaeqxPtxEQxFxIKfWmVzJ+7WmvCCwLLhtbY1tmyway9fuI2KQ NKW3radR/M499+OrLVVrmFKMX2skzVGdrUazucEU9Lozxj+IWQHoLLH7evseU0teKJu+ 035c6CHYprrJeYvSr/XR1k0szL6mn95V/yrc/DJCmK0Iv2ALtKu8RTQFKrBwOVLp37yF fS+Z9rvwKJoun1huedLilFIl7V+Jf7zNRTZiiEIwZPOVEqIo3vRYWDuvZSXzrxatOrWy h55w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=D8uHntqVtlZygTorKhb4QMm3jllgPdL1jcQ+u2j7gM0=; b=iJ4NzBBjqccJ+aTIx0sJ+Ps81+wulq17schXBZnwnhCG7B+HypPSJxdgtBTfxGfo5Y SHKT1AqjpUBez//NTsw+bDTWLdElacOw+pHAHENO4JWXZEWmvMEafSTTkzl7VuEuOsHE fI2e6pidS0/CnhgByb7N0gyiNdK8XIGbQrELeNOQQqGWoyjFPQSby/NfG4/yjIryFZzx yMqltABeHvkEa9wsVeAgr7wFsuZZFmRVhUr81a/HkbOmXWqu4PSlwYHK8lZGNLoLO52b sRBprHt5NOldEiu2n3rxCsgVuAZF8k+l+dZjIjTRLeQcSLHtJW0R1nMFMNhO/Ae4CT5T gv6g== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531Wm12Ga5+qSZo0VxRTKz3BOn5iHo+XJ/DR2Tjv+kz/pIS/I+7h hqhrBYWtLGqxQBSnPqPZe67tqd5nsfvJve+XTWgK+5XOSkY= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwFOaXdgT1ThzB+LXzqZOghbWxnEyqKx/VDP6PyfMbwwymfqRdOHq1XLGD0C5wq+Zr03EIgIBu/TTBy/lYHq24= X-Received: by 2002:a25:40d8:: with SMTP id n207mr19479635yba.3.1616353467060; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 12:04:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20210320132339.00004d9a@seibercom.net> <38EDD406-3EC4-4F71-B990-DDD1E753D091@kreme.com> <20210321113403.00004056@seibercom.net> <20210321120633.00004136@seibercom.net> <20210321142553.000046d6@seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: <20210321142553.000046d6@seibercom.net> From: Aryeh Friedman Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 15:04:16 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OS to replace FreeBSD To: FreeBSD Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F3RrX011Pz3p3m X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=kDzrpFBu; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of aryehfriedman@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::b33 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=aryehfriedman@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.95 / 15.00]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.95)[-0.954]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::b33:from]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::b33:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::b33:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 19:04:28 -0000 On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 2:26 PM Jerry wrote: > You are a complete asshole. The simple fact the the controller in > question, and here I am assuming it is the controller, does not > function correctly under FreeBSD, versions >= 11.x, but apparently does > function under other OSs, is prima facie proof that it is not supported. > As has been pointed out *MANY* times already in the thread just because other OS's make something work by being lazy about how a standard is implemented does not mean there is nothing non-standard with any given hardware. It only means that if anything the other OS's are being less strict then they should be about how they interpret the standard thus when a OS that actually does care about that strictness and doing things "right" has a problem with the non-standard hardware it is the fault of the OS?!?!?! That is as insane as the NRA saying bullets from guns don't kill people. > I have seen zero proof that anyone is actively working on this > phenomenon. The fact the the bug was first reported over a year ago > would seem to indicate that it is not attracting any attention. The > fact that it did work once under older versions reinforces my belief > that someone screwed up the code in the newer versions. > HPS offering to look into it in detail 18 days ago with a bunch of other work done on it late last month means it is being actively worked on. HPS even asked for SSH access to the machine which is quite doable of a live CD/memstick which in itself does not require an install.... so the bottom line is you have been given many many opportunities to help out and you refuse to do any of them... the only thing you do is sit here and whine about how no one is fixing it -- how are they supposed to fix it if you refuse to at least help there testing? -- Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org